The Perfect Question

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Sonic_Master
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#1 erstellt: 20. Dez 2006, 16:53
I am not asking you the either good bass, soft treble or anything like that...

I will ask you the perfect question:

Does your system sounds lifelike and never tries to impress you?

and ur answer would be " if it doesnt impress me then why should i buy"

well if you might have bought your systems because it impressed you then probably you are not an audiophile...

Ive auditioned to be precise two systems which can show the performeers infront of me.

One is Satyam`s system and another is Sivas.

from now onwards i will ask just one question...
Does your system sounds lifelike...?

huh...atlast the performers were infront of me....cant forget the day...
Sonic_Master
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#2 erstellt: 20. Dez 2006, 16:55
sorry didnt mention that sivas custom built with scans drivers...

Good Job siva nice job.

regards,
Sandeep
bombaywalla
Stammgast
#3 erstellt: 21. Dez 2006, 00:03

Sonic_Master schrieb:


I will ask you the perfect question:

Does your system sounds lifelike and never tries to impress you?


Sonic_Master, the problem with your question is that it is far from a perfect question!
The reason is that each one of us who will reply, will reply "yes". The reason for this is obvious - we all hear/listen differently. Thus, what might sound life-like to you, might sound artificial to me & vice-versa. It all depends on how much experience you have in ascertaining what is life-like & what is not. So, where you are on the experience totem-pole will dictate what life-like sounds to you. That's one reason people's systems evolve & "upgraditis" is an omni-present disease in this audio hobby err..........obsession.
abhi.pani
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#4 erstellt: 21. Dez 2006, 05:11

bombaywalla schrieb:

Sonic_Master schrieb:


I will ask you the perfect question:

Does your system sounds lifelike and never tries to impress you?


Sonic_Master, the problem with your question is that it is far from a perfect question!
The reason is that each one of us who will reply, will reply "yes". The reason for this is obvious - we all hear/listen differently. Thus, what might sound life-like to you, might sound artificial to me & vice-versa. It all depends on how much experience you have in ascertaining what is life-like & what is not. So, where you are on the experience totem-pole will dictate what life-like sounds to you. That's one reason people's systems evolve & "upgraditis" is an omni-present disease in this audio hobby err..........obsession. :D


Hmmm...quite true Bombaywalla...


Does your system sounds lifelike and never tries to impress you?


A question to this perfect question:
How can a system sound lifelike and still not impress you ???? If your favourite singer is singing infront of you...you are bound to be impressed... Isnt it ???
Amp_Nut
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#5 erstellt: 21. Dez 2006, 05:41
The Perfect Crime is one which no one even knows that it has been commitrted...

Hence , a perfect question is one that is not asked ?
Manek
Inventar
#6 erstellt: 21. Dez 2006, 05:59

The Perfect Crime is one which no one even knows that it has been commitrted...

Hence , a perfect question is one that is not asked ?


Bravo Amp_nut....very profound.....

Manek.
SUB_BOSS
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#7 erstellt: 21. Dez 2006, 08:19

well if you might have bought your systems because it impressed you then probably you are not an audiophile...


No I'm not an audiophile as my system impressesd me too much...
Manek
Inventar
#8 erstellt: 21. Dez 2006, 10:58
sub_boss....

Are you saying that only peopled who are bored with their systems are "audiophiles" ?
bhagwan69
Inventar
#9 erstellt: 21. Dez 2006, 11:06

Manek schrieb:
sub_boss....

Are you saying that only peopled who are bored with their systems are "audiophiles" ? :D


Well put sir;
deaf
Stammgast
#10 erstellt: 21. Dez 2006, 12:06
Hmmmm, interesting responses.I would however change the way Sonic Master looks at it, the other way round.Audiophiles like to be impressed and go,"WOW".Serious music lovers playing the HiEnd game are those who are past the colouration game.They desire the performance to emote and not the audio system.There is no right or wrong in this. Example if you are in the colouration aspect of it, I am the biggest idiot in your eyes, similarly when you talk about beautiful warmth etc, I just smile within and go 'riiight dude, we'll see 3-5 years later whether you are singing the same tune, because mostly you will be joining me in the idiot brigade'.
Deaf.
Sonic_Master
Stammgast
#11 erstellt: 21. Dez 2006, 14:02
well said Deaf...

It takes long time for many of em to understand the reality...

regards,
Sandeep
SUB_BOSS
Gesperrt
#12 erstellt: 21. Dez 2006, 14:41

well said Deaf...

It takes long time for many of em to understand the reality...

regards,
Sandeep


O.K dude but I'm glad you did it at your tender age.. Congrats.
SUB_BOSS
Gesperrt
#13 erstellt: 21. Dez 2006, 14:49

sub_boss....

Are you saying that only peopled who are bored with their systems are "audiophiles" ?



No but if you read what our inhouse designer has to say :


well if you might have bought your systems because it impressed you then probably you are not an audiophile...


Then I'm not an audiophile by any stretch of imagination and Manek if you are an audiophile then I'm sure you are plain bored with your cadence..
bombaywalla
Stammgast
#14 erstellt: 21. Dez 2006, 14:57

Sonic_Master schrieb:

well if you might have bought your systems because it impressed you then probably you are not an audiophile...


I wouldn't put it as harshly as you have! I'd rather say that the person is a budding audiophile - one that does not quite have the experience (of knowing that the "wow" factor dissipates quickly) but is (hopefully) willing to be shown the ropes.
SOme people have the opportunity to be exposed to great sounding systems early on - they are lucky. Others find this later on in their audiophile hobby - I think that these people are better off than the younger lucky ones as they been around the block a few times before discovering what really are the aspects of reproduced music. There are still others are doomed as they never find these aspects.
SUB_BOSS
Gesperrt
#15 erstellt: 21. Dez 2006, 15:01

I wouldn't put it as harshly as you have! I'd rather say that the person is a budding audiophile - one that does not quite have the experience (of knowing that the "wow" factor dissipates quickly) but is (hopefully) willing to be shown the ropes.
SOme people have the opportunity to be exposed to great sounding systems early on - they are lucky. Others find this later on in their audiophile hobby - I think that these people are better off than the younger lucky ones as they been around the block a few times before discovering what really are the aspects of reproduced music. There are still others are doomed as they never find these aspects.




tO THIS i AGREE...
ani
Stammgast
#16 erstellt: 21. Dez 2006, 17:16
Dear Sonic,

If possible listen to the complete 5CD set of Beethoven's 9 symphonies, Simon Rattle conducting Wiener Philharmoniker you will get the answer!!

Warm regards
Anil
deaf
Stammgast
#17 erstellt: 21. Dez 2006, 18:38

ani schrieb:
Dear Sonic,

If possible listen to the complete 5CD set of Beethoven's 9 symphonies, Simon Rattle conducting Wiener Philharmoniker you will get the answer!!

Warm regards
Anil


Dear Anil
The answer to what?
Deaf.
Kamal
Stammgast
#18 erstellt: 21. Dez 2006, 19:04
To how great music can make you forget everything else & sob in your Scotch !
Kamal
Manek
Inventar
#19 erstellt: 22. Dez 2006, 05:30

No but if you read what our inhouse designer has to say :


well if you might have bought your systems because it impressed you then probably you are not an audiophile...



Then I'm not an audiophile by any stretch of imagination and Manek if you are an audiophile then I'm sure you are plain bored with your cadence..


Sub boss.... I know what you are getting at....we seem to be on the same wavelength

Oh BTW...I am so bored with my cadence I refuse to give em up !

Manek.
SUB_BOSS
Gesperrt
#20 erstellt: 22. Dez 2006, 06:52

To how great music can make you forget everything else & sob in your Scotch !
Kamal


Please don't sob in scotch.. just absorb it on rocks..


Oh BTW...I am so bored with my cadence I refuse to give em up !


Heheheh.... well said.
deaf
Stammgast
#21 erstellt: 22. Dez 2006, 08:24
I don't consume booze sir,but Beethoven's symphonies inspire me and not make me sob.However some of his smaller works do make me shed a tear.
Deaf.
Amp_Nut
Inventar
#22 erstellt: 22. Dez 2006, 08:52
Deaf Said:



Beethoven's symphonies inspire me and not make me sob.However some of his smaller works do make me shed a tear.


Beethoven was ACTUALLY deaf...

You only CLAIM to be 'deaf' but have amongst the sharpest ears of all !
Manek
Inventar
#23 erstellt: 22. Dez 2006, 11:03
Beethoven became deaf towrds the later part of his life, he wasnt deaf always....but the genius of the man to write something like the choral symphony (9th) when he was deaf and then the arrangement and then conduct the same at the premiere ! Whoah ! Cant still get over this feat.

His music was and is fantastic...a master.


However some of his smaller works do make me shed a tear.

I share your sentiments deaf

Manek.
ani
Stammgast
#24 erstellt: 22. Dez 2006, 11:11
Dear Deaf,

This performance of Beethovan symphonies is one of the newer ones, it can move you because the original score as well as the rendition by the orchestra is good. Eventhough the EMI has come out with such an horrible sounding CD they still were not able to hide all the good virtues of the performance.

Same is the case with equipments, let it be life like, coloured or what ever if you enjoy what comes out of it and that makes you happy, you have got value for your money. The music lover, audiophile and gear head are pasted on ones face by those not intersted in these subjects so that they can get some kind of mental satisfaction


[Beitrag von ani am 22. Dez 2006, 11:13 bearbeitet]
deaf
Stammgast
#25 erstellt: 22. Dez 2006, 11:35

ani schrieb:
Dear Deaf,

This performance of Beethovan symphonies is one of the newer ones, it can move you because the original score as well as the rendition by the orchestra is good. Eventhough the EMI has come out with such an horrible sounding CD they still were not able to hide all the good virtues of the performance.

Same is the case with equipments, let it be life like, coloured or what ever if you enjoy what comes out of it and that makes you happy, you have got value for your money. The music lover, audiophile and gear head are pasted on ones face by those not intersted in these subjects so that they can get some kind of mental satisfaction :)


Sir, sometime later we shall discuss the monumental performances, past and present.
Deaf.
Arj
Inventar
#26 erstellt: 22. Dez 2006, 12:26
I think the greatness of Beethoven was that he first composed/heard the music in his mind and could exactly relate to it with what he saw and wrote on a piece of paper.

perhaps one case of "let your ears decide" not being exactly possible.

I think he would have the perfect music system.. look at the scroll sheet and let his mind play the music. no issue of acoustics, neutrality, transparency .. and nither the temperature whether warm or cold.

what wouldnt we all give to have such a "perfect system" between our ears.
deaf
Stammgast
#27 erstellt: 22. Dez 2006, 12:32

Arj schrieb:
I think the greatness of Beethoven was that he first composed/heard the music in his mind and could exactly relate to it with what he saw and wrote on a piece of paper.

perhaps one case of "let your ears decide" not being exactly possible.

I think he would have the perfect music system.. look at the scroll sheet and let his mind play the music. no issue of acoustics, neutrality, transparency .. and nither the temperature whether warm or cold.

what wouldnt we all give to have such a "perfect system" between our ears.


What a beautiful to look at it.
Deaf.
deaf
Stammgast
#28 erstellt: 22. Dez 2006, 15:21
Dear Manek,
Beethoven never conducted the 9th,infact he was physically, not chronologically, too old and feeble to even stand.He sat through the entire premier in the front of the house, and could not hear the work as he was deaf.His chair was picked up and turned around after the performance.It was only then when he saw people applauding and cheering(as he could not hear them), that he realised what a master piece he had created.His conducting was over in his late twenties as he had become deaf by then.
Deaf.
Manek
Inventar
#29 erstellt: 23. Dez 2006, 06:25
Deaf,

I think that man lived to be 55-57 ? thought he started loosing his hearing around 30'ish, which would mean the later part of his life.
In his twenties he was most prolific with his piano playing feats in vienna.

About the 9th symphony...Your version I know appears in Wikipedia.

http://www.orsymphony.org/news/0304/0130_CL9_bee9.html
This version says he sat with the orchestra on stage.

http://w3.rz-berlin.mpg.de/cmp/beethoven_sym9.html
This one says he was feeble yet conducting.I read this story a couple of times in the album notes as well.

I heard a documentary once which said he conducted siting down on a chair.

Now what to believe ?

Either way, he was one of the greatest, if not the greatest! I salute him
Remember the first movement of Pastoral ? Now can anything be more beautiful?

Manek.
deaf
Stammgast
#30 erstellt: 23. Dez 2006, 09:15
Dear Manek he was completely deaf by 30.He made a mockery of himself trying to conduct one of his earlier symphonies.It is at this stage the world realised he was deaf.He went into a shell after this.There is no way he could conduct any work as he lacked hearing, which is more essential than when composing.
He actually tied a string to his teeth and another end to the piano while composing hoping to understand what he had written from the vibrations.You are however correct that he did sit on the stage, which I was not sure of, when I posted earlier.My book on greatest composers confirmed this.
There however are many beliefs with regards to his life, so I could be wrong.
Deaf.
Manek
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#31 erstellt: 26. Dez 2006, 05:10
yeah...who knows what the truth is.....

Manek.
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#32 erstellt: 26. Dez 2006, 07:25
Hi,

I had read this small quote from a longer letter in a CD booklet. I forget which one. SBFX has the CD. It has stayed with me ever since. It was from Mr. Beethoven to a friend. "Nothing exites or inspires me much these days. Deafness is like a ghost that follows my every move, but i shall not let faith drag me down. I shall grab it from its neck and move on".
purnendu
Stammgast
#33 erstellt: 26. Dez 2006, 07:36
Hi Manek and Gang,
That was a nice posting and discussion. Manek's question was different and thoughtful, but more importantly we ended up with music, and Beethoven. Now when are we going to have that discussion on the Beethoven symphonies. I have just managed to get myself a set of Toscannini with NBC Orchestra on RCA (Christmas goodies) in addition to my existing Solti Chicago set on CD. So adding up the dozen or so other performances - Furtwangler, Szell, Walter,et. al I have a modest Beethoven collection. This is one composer everyone knows and loves. It would be nice to have a thread going. Anyone game.

Belated Merry Christmas to all

Purnendu
Manek
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#34 erstellt: 26. Dez 2006, 09:01
game
purnendu
Stammgast
#35 erstellt: 28. Dez 2006, 10:37
OK,
One thing I read somewhere on the net was that Beethoven's original tempi would have been much faster than they are today. Even the period performances apparently dont follow the original tempo. Anyone heard Beethoven on period instruments.
Purnendu
Manek
Inventar
#36 erstellt: 28. Dez 2006, 12:10
Guys ,

the Beethoven thread is here
http://www.hifi-foru...rum_id=65&thread=104

(in the music section)

Manek.
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