FYI: Cadence latest price list

some of them way overpriced for performance in my opinion. moving 'up' to cadence takes on a whole new meaning

stevieboy schrieb:

some of them way overpriced for performance in my opinion. moving 'up' to cadence takes on a whole new meaning ;)

Only the VA1 , rest others are reasonably priced and provide excellent VFM.

i really dont know if the divas would qualify as vfm dont want to open a can of worms so wont open my mouth on anything else

so actual prices will be further 12.5% higher ?

stevieboy schrieb:

i really dont know if the divas would qualify as vfm dont want to open a can of worms so wont open my mouth on anything else :L

agree! Diva are POS & not VFM!!

Arj schrieb:

so actual prices will be further 12.5% higher ?

yes

Arj schrieb:

so actual prices will be further 12.5% higher ?

Small addition;
12.5 % VAT + Octroi [where ever applicable] + Freight [from Pune to where ever].

Hence the prices may be a bit higher.

The Cadence Audio / Siltech / Spendor etc. Showroom is ready in Mumbai. Was scheduled to open on the 15th, but seems to have been delayed. It is actually ready. Went to hear it.
The Entire stock should arrive some time this week.
It [Showroom] should open by the end of this month at the latest. Latest by early September, 2007.
The 'Pheaton' too should be in Pune by then !!!

G_S_Madhav schrieb:

8)Cadence ‘ARCA’ Ver IV Rs.4,60,000/- Per pair •All the above are ex-works prices. VAT 12.5%, Freight and Octroi as applicable will be extra at actuals. •Prices subject to change with or without prior notice.

I just happened to audition the Version VI [I am not so sure, if I got that number right] !
The Internal cables have changed from vdH to Siltech & the ESL Panel has been changed [it is transparent now]. The Cabinet's internal sides have been altered & the Front Baffle too looks like it has been re-worked [baffle I am not sure about].
It is the best I have heard the Arca play in the past 10 years + that I have been listening to it ,in its different incarnations.

All forum members should try and audition this. The version VI [I mean].
It too will be there in the demo room in Mumbai [September, 2007].
With the SME 30 it really sounds very very 'musical' !!

Where is the showroom located? Thanks.

Jeeves schrieb:

Where is the showroom located? Thanks.

Fort - Horniman Circle - opp Central Library.

Went for a listen yesterday;
Some work is still o/s.

Should be done in 7 to 10 days.

Will open in the 1st week on September.

I will give more details when I am authorised to share further info. Sorry !!

But come September, 2007, there will be a new place in Mumbai where Cadence + Spendor + Siltech Products can be auditioned !!!

http://www.ossaudio.com/cadencemain.htm

Just an idea of the international prices !!!

N.American debut in 2003.Were Cadence products never reviewed by Stereophile?
As per the latest pricelist, Amayas are Rs1.6k while the Aristas are Rs1.65k.
Why 2 speakers so similar in price-whats the diff between the two, technical & performance wise?
Anyone care to shed a light?

Amaya's were the older generation speakers with the larger 10" eton woofer. The Aristas are the current line with the an 8" woofer and panel compliment. The both sound a bit different. Their construction is different as well but the Amaya still is a very good speaker.

I believe the panels have undergone further modification lately with newer materials. They are said to be more transparent...havent heard the new panels yet but I will shortly.

Thanks, Manek.
Have you listened to both recently?
Whats your take?
Does not the smaller bass driver of the Aristas curtail the bass extn as compared to the Amayas?
I believe the PTFE membrane of the ES Panels is now coated with Indium i/o Aluminium-leading to a much longer life-they call it lifetime.

I have heard both many times but not the Arista with the new panel. The bass ibn both is strong....Some prefer the 10" eton woofer over the 8 incher. The 10" would theoretically go deeper and I would think it would to on the Amaya.

Manek.

Thanks for the prompt response Manek!
I guess a trip to Cadence, Pune is indicated.
Have to finally listen & decide for yourself

yep...happy listening.

Manek schrieb:

I believe the panels have undergone further modification lately with newer materials. They are said to be more transparent...havent heard the new panels yet but I will shortly.

Yes the new material was developed in Germany. I forget the name of the institute.
I am not so sure if the new material will be used on all Cadence Products ? I did listen to it on the new Arca [Version VI] & I really liked it. But the entire speaker is changed, so it is very difficult to point to any one thing & issolate it.

They will be on demo in Mumbai in 2 weeks, you could hear it there. Not much need to go to Pune, unless you want to audition the 'Phaeton' i.e !!!

I am told that the panels on the Avita have also changed to the new material.....

Cant wait to hear them in Bombay.

Manek.

Yes Manek !

The entire range is being revamped;

All the Cadence speakers will have the ESL Panels made from the new material.
The older models will not get this upgrade.

Even the internal cables are getting changed from vdH to Siltech.

yes I know about the internal cables...bhagwan.
tks.

manek.

The Internal cables have changed from vdH to Siltech

Hi all,

Would anyone know which Siltech cables are being used? I have a pair of original ES's, fitted with Monster internal cables, and wish to upgrade to Siltechs. If anyone's tryed this upgrade, I'd be grateful of any tips. Having just recently upgraded to the new ESL panels (to very good effect) I'm now considering any other tweaks that are possible.
Also- would any have any reviews of my ES's?

Regards,
Sigmund

Hi Walkman-man,welcome to the Forum.
You have'nt mentioned which model of Cadence you possess.
As regards upgrading the internal cables, you could ring up/Email Mr Ambalavanam, Production Manager, Cadence Audio& metion the model/year of Manufacture/Serial Nos to enable him to guide you on the appropriate Siltech cable to use.
His Email Id is cadenceaudio@vsnl.net and his phone number is +912026813088.
He ould be available Mon to Fri 10 AM to 5 pm Indian Standard Time.
BTW, how much did you pay for the new ES panels?

Kamal schrieb:

BTW, how much did you pay for the new ES panels?

Hi Kamal,

Thanks for the advice. I did actually ask Mr Ambalavanan about the cables (and quite a lot of other stuff), but he didn't get back to me on this. He suggested I try the cables and explained how the upgrade should only be used with the bass driver as there seems to be some technical reasons why the ESLs shouldn't be tinkered with. Any thoughts on this?
The models I have are ES Eclipse MK1's. I'm not sure how much of an improvement I can make to these, after changing to the excellent new ESLs. NB Previously (when I used the original ESLs) the bass performance was noticably inferior to that of the midrange/treble. Now the new ESLs are fitted, this is unfortunately even more apparent! (I'm hoping the cable might somehow re-dresses the balance???). The bass is definately the weak link when making a comparison with something like Martin Logan hybrids.

BTW the panels were GBP500. The speaker cable tweak should be a little cheaper!

Bests,
Sigmund

walkman-man...

The "ES" you speak off may be their very early models. I think an upgrade to this was the Amaya and then the Amaya MK II.

Cables may not solve the problem.

manek.

Manek schrieb:

Cables may not solve the problem.

Hi Manek,

I had the idea that the new cables might re-dress the balance a little (since the speaker's bass capability has got so behind it's midrange/treble), whilst also being a good tweak. Do you know/ can you imagine if this would be so? I'm sure it would have some effect...

Thanks,
Sigmund

Sigmund,

if the speaker is old as I assume it is...around 10 years....then the woofer may just be a little off the original specs and hence the lag. Your replacing the old panels with the new have just highlighted the difference between the old and the new. If I were you I would look at replacing the woofers with new ones to compensate, if at all thats possible.....

manek.

and about why ESL's should not be tinkered with on the cable front....ESL's dont like high capacitance cables, I was told that some time back and hence Amba would have recommended cables only for the bass woofer.

manek.

A small suggestion;

If the speaker is 10 years + old, it is better to replace it fully.

The new model has a new woofer & new panel & new cables, even the cabinet has changed. What all will you upgrade ?
Just keep the old speaker or gift it & buy a new Cadence !!! Might also work out to be cheaper........
A restored / refurbished Amaya II sells @ Rs. 70/- K, if I am not wrong. A new woofer in both the speakers will cost you 30 K in any case + Panels @ Rs. 10/- K + Cables another 8 to 10 K, so better to buy a new pair............

Besides, if you have used the speaker for 10 + years you may have derived enough pleasure from it. So if a replacement is made, it may be worth it.

Manek schrieb:

If I were you I would look at replacing the woofers with new ones to compensate, if at all thats possible.....

Thanks for this.

The advice is useful. Similar to that of Cadences's MD, who's kindly replied to me, when I put the above querie(s) to him. After querying about all the upgrade options, for my Amaya MK1's, he only suggested the cable option (after the ESL upgrade, obviously). I get the idea that the main source of the problem could be inadequate tweeter/bass unit integration (as has been commented on in the UK hi-fi press), on these older models. Possibly the MK2's have resolved this issue?

Ta,
Sigmund

the mkII's are better but even that is now out of production and only on order or factory refurbished used units are availlable.

The newer line Avita, Arista have far better integration. As bhagwan says, the cabinets have also changed, for the better I might add.

BTW where are you located ?

manek.

Manek schrieb:

The newer line Avita, Arista have far better integration. As bhagwan says, the cabinets have also changed, for the better I might add.

Yes, what you're saying confirms what I suspected. It's probably the reason why the Amaya didn't have an MKIII model. It would be interesting to know if Avita cabinets can be bought seperately (without ESL units), as my new ESLs seem excellent. Nice to know what options there are, if I'm not satisfied by my (non-stop!) tweaks.

NB I'm in the UK, up north.

Ta,
Sigmund

What exactly did Mr Shirke advise?

hi

walkman-man

The Avita's and Arista's have a differently designed panel on size and its exterior construction and the fitting also is different.

The Amaya MKII would have better integration which could mean it may have an internal cabinet change, x-overs and cabling from the previous model. The MKII is still a very good speaker so if you want to tweak then see if you can easily convert your existing one to the MK II with X-overs, bass unit, cables or you could go in for the new speakers and send the new ESL's back and try and get a writeback on them.

Manek.

Manek, your posts Nos.#32 & #35 give the impression that the Amaya is an outdated design & it is the the Arista & the Avita , being of the new design,which are the better speakers.
That is not quite correct-the Aristas have replaced the Aninas which are now out of production, and not the Amayas which are still being produced with the upgraded ESL Panels, wiring etc .
The Aristas are meant for medium sized rooms while the Amayas are better for bigger sized rooms, and hence they are both part of the current line up of Cadence.
Plz check with Mr Shirke, as I did, if you would like a confirmation of what I have written.
Sigmund,what did Mr Shirke advise you re the problem you are facing?

Kamal schrieb:

The Aristas are meant for medium sized rooms while the Amayas are better for bigger sized rooms

Kamal/Manek,

Thanks again. I think that the combination of poor room placement (my speakers are used in a medium sized room) and mediocre integration, are both factors resulting in my doubts over the speakers. Probably more the latter issue. I'll have to try temporarily dragging the system into another room to investigate this. Unfortunately, there appears to be no mention of this on Cadence's literature/website. Now that I think back, I remember demo'ing the speakers in a well-sized room...

Anyway- I don't know whether to be happy or glad about these findings! I'll let you know the results of my little test. At least it's easier than tweaking. I didn't actually thing to contact Mr Shirke about the above- only my thoughts on tweaking (quite a lot to that).

Thanks,
Sigmund

Hi Kamal,

The Amaya's/Anina's are made on request...atleast thats what I was told. And thats why I have refered to them as previous generation. My aopolgies.

This is news that the Amaya's are produced with the new panels and cables.....!
Thanks for the update.

But I still do believe that the Avitas and Aristas have better integration than the Amaya/Anina but then its only my view and not gospel.

Manek.

My aopolgies

Dear Manek,
No apologies called for or indicated, please!
My post was merely an attempt to add to the facts re the Cadence speaker line up, which is why I wrote the gist of what Mr Shirke told me today;Incidentally, this is exactly what Mr M.Dave had said some days back-his exact words were that the Amayas had a "fuller" sound,that they were tuned for bigger room sizes.
I do agree that Cadence would do well to go into details abt matching their various speakers with difft room sizes, speaker placement,matching them with related components etc-these are critical issues to help customers get the max enjoyment out of their setups.
Sigmund, I do believe it'll help to first detail the probs you're facing in an Email to Mr Shirke & then call him up-he's so refreshingly accessible as only an audiophile can be!

Hi Manek, I had the idea that the new cables might re-dress the balance a little (since the speaker's bass capability has got so behind it's midrange/treble), whilst also being a good tweak. Do you know/ can you imagine if this would be so? I'm sure it would have some effect... Thanks, Sigmund

could you explain what is it that you find lacking in the bass department ?

BTW on my last visit I did hear the entry level siltech (london??) cables with the amaya's and there was a bit of additional bass extension and bit more control than with the vdh. Midrange and treble seemed quite the same with both.

But then again is that what you are looking for ?

manek.

Manek schrieb:

could you explain what is it that you find lacking in the bass department ?

Hi Manek,

My concerns were mostly with with getting slight bass dominance and the mediocre bass/mid and treble integration. I have now tried out the previously mentioned test, and found I have less 'over-the-top' bass and integration seems better. Not sure if one issue was (more-or-less) a consequence of the other. Anyway, I was quite pleased with the results, especially as my excellent new ESL panel's performance is now similar to the bass performance. Definately think I'll look into the Siltechs.

Regards,
Sigmund

I'm glad....:) enjoy !

Siltech Pantheon 25 needs to be auditioned;



It has been 're-worked'
The x-over changed.

Sounds good - really nice.

It is an experiance to be had !!!

All forum members from Mumbai / Pune need to make a plan & visit Pune.
I request Manek to try and co-ordinate this.
It is an experiance that cannot be passed by.

The Digital front end is in too;
Teac Esoteric
P-3 + D-3 + G-0

CADENCE

Price List w.e.f. 1st June 2008
Model Price

1) Cadence ‘ARITA' Bookshelf speaker Rs. 80,000/-
Per pair

2) ARITA STANDS Rs 17,000/-
Per pair

3) Cadence ‘DIVA’ Rs. 1,10,000/-
Entry Level High End Dynamic Loudspeaker Per pair

4) Cadence ‘ANINA’ Rs. 1,30,000/-
Electrostatic Hybrid Loudspeaker Per pair

5) Cadence ‘AVITA’ Rs. 1,40,000/-
Electrostatic Hybrid Loudspeaker Per pair

6) Cadence ‘AMAYA’ Rs.1,75,000/-
Electrostatic Hybrid Loudspeaker Per pair

7) Cadence ‘ARISTA’ Rs.1,85,000/-
Electrostatic Hybrid Loudspeaker Per pair

8) Cadence ‘ARCA’ Ver IV Rs.4,90,000/-
Electrostatic Hybrid Loudspeaker Per pair

9) Cadence ‘VA-1 HP’ Rs. 89,000/-
Hybrid Valve Amplifier (2 x 36 Watts RMS) Per piece
(upto 9 Watts RMS in pure class A )

10) Cadence ‘CANASYA’ Rs.5,75,000/-
Hybrid Valve Amplifier Per pair
Monoblocks (200 Watts RMS upto 50 watts in Pure Class A)

• All the above are ex-works prices. VAT 12.5%, Freight and octroi as applicable will be extra at actuals.
• Prices subject to change with or without prior notice.
• Payment terms: 100% advance prior to dispatch.

What!! They have gone so high, almost double. Pity
(Update: On second reading I guess this applies only to Arita and Diva)

At those prices, the Arits and Diva will have stiff competition from other brands

How much was the VA1 before the "hike"?

The diva and Arita will have competition from the same range itself.
Will someone buy the Diva at 1,10,000 when the Avita is available at 1,40,000 ?
Pricing looks very lopsided

But are these improved products in any way? Drivers/crossovers/materials/cabinetry etc. Or is it just good ol' inflation that's responsible for the price hike?

hoping there would be changes.

the new film for example......dont know what other parts.....

as square wave said they will have lots of competition....but then, thats good isnt it ? It will force them to lift their game. Finally its the consumer that will benifit.

The prices seem to be coming in line with the older international pricing....if I remember correctly.

manek.