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bhagwan69
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#1 erstellt: 05. Sep 2007, 08:56
Hello All !

This is a 'courtesy post' by me.

Hermit Audio [P] Limited has started its operations in Mumbai. Their demo room has opened and is selling products from GamuT Audio - Denmark.

All electronics [except S300] and most speakers [except L3 & L7] are in stock and on demo.

If any forum member is interested, please do get in touch with the below mentioned :-

093204 47654 - Mr. Ajay Kamath [c.o.o.]
gamut@hermitaudio.com [e-mail]
022 24704048 [office number]

I shall try and post some pictures of the demo room etc.
bhagwan69
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#2 erstellt: 06. Sep 2007, 08:50
Some Snaps :-





Arj
Inventar
#3 erstellt: 06. Sep 2007, 09:25
Nice Snaps.. and BTW thats a cool camera that you are using
bhagwan69
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#4 erstellt: 06. Sep 2007, 10:00

Arj schrieb:
Nice Snaps.. and BTW thats a cool camera that you are using ;)


It is an old Panasonic - Lumix DMC - FZ3.

My photography skills are rather poor.

Some more snaps :-

Amp_Nut
Inventar
#5 erstellt: 06. Sep 2007, 10:01
My Best Wishes to the Guys at Hermit Audio.

ani
Stammgast
#6 erstellt: 22. Okt 2007, 15:13
He all,
Any of our forum members visited the room? They must be having almost all the range from Gamut.

If so please inform the unfortunate ones (non Mumbaikars)how the Gamut setup sounds?

Thanking you,
Anil
bhagwan69
Inventar
#7 erstellt: 22. Okt 2007, 15:21
GamuT Phi 3 is on Demo Now !!

Our Phi3 is developed for the true audiophile who above all
cares for music reproduction.
In its tiny exquisite architectural packaging the Phi3 delivers
resolution and dynamics belying its small size. As a pure 2-channel
loudspeaker the Phi3 is best suited for rooms up to 40 m².
For larger rooms or deeper reproduction of the lowest octaves
we recommend combining it with our Phi Sub for the best
match of speed and dynamic capability. The Phi3 will be your
perfect partner for a multi channel surround setup using four
or six pcs in combination with the Phi-LCR as centre and one or two subs

http://gamutaudio.com/products/details.asp?id=27

Call Ajay Kamath - Hermit Audio - Demo Appointment.
00 91 22 2470 4048 [1200 to 1900]
ani
Stammgast
#8 erstellt: 23. Okt 2007, 07:14
Hi Bhagwan,

Thanks for the info, not asking you about how they sound You may not want to comment about your neighbor

Anyone from the forum been there ? Please please tell us how the Gamut sounded.

Regards
Anil
Behram
Ist häufiger hier
#9 erstellt: 24. Okt 2007, 12:51
Paid a visit to the Hermit Audio Demo Room today. Fortunately for me Bhagwan was around so had a wonderful listening experience which may not have been possible with an unknown face.

Heard both the Speakers on Demo. The Phi3 which is a small bookshelf and the LS5 (I hope I got the model number correct) which is a tall floorstander. They were being driven with Gamut Electronics and Cables which included an Intergrated Amplifier and CD player with Analogue XLR out.

The bookshelf sounded too good to be called a "bookshelf". Since it had a small 5" driver I expected an early low frequency roll off. Although the specs state 58 hz at +/- 3 db, I felt it went lower than that maybe because of the rear port the room enhanced the low end though it was placed 5 ft away from the rear wall and around 1 ft from the side wall. What set it apart from most speakers was perfect imaging, good depth and a smooth response. Extensive listening did not bring about any listening fatigue and it reproduced many soft passages with utmost finesse. The entire system had a low noise floor. Like always there were notes that I could hear for the first time on CDs that I had for ages. The centre image was so accurate that the seating position was not at all critical and one could shift a little to the sides and still retain the image. The image height was the same as tweeter level. The speaker stands which were not Gamut were rock solid and appeared to be made of Granite. I was told they were wooden with concrete fill and had a coat of shiny automobile laquer. They were obviously cheaper than the original Gamut stands.

The bigger floorstander had a proportionately warmer sound and naturally the -3 db roll off was at 35 hz but the base was not very impressive. I was quite impressed by the smaller PHI3 though at a sensitivity of 86 db they require a good amount of driving power.

The listening room is well designed and am told is 300 sq ft to suit most average Indian living rooms. The damping was on the wall behind the speakers as can be seen in the photographs and the entire room had a wall to wall carpet.
zhopudey
Stammgast
#10 erstellt: 24. Okt 2007, 13:16

Behram schrieb:
Like always there were notes that I could hear for the first time on CDs that I had for ages.



"Like always"? I didn't understand that.
ani
Stammgast
#11 erstellt: 24. Okt 2007, 13:24
Thank you Behram for the report. I will mark Hermit as one of must visit when in Mumbai :).

Was the electronics transparent or you failed to mention about them?

Once again thanking you.
Regards
Anil
Behram
Ist häufiger hier
#12 erstellt: 24. Okt 2007, 15:03
Hi Anil and Zhopudey,

You will have to excuse me, I am not quite conversant with all audiophile reviewer terms.

What I meant was since I have a very mediocre setup at home, I listen attentively whenever I go for a demo and if I notice a difference in reproduction as compared to my home setup I make it a point to highlight it. In this case the nuances came out very well.

About the electronics being transparent, I can only pass a comment if I have another electronic equipment to compare it with in the same enviroment. In Hermit Audio they only had Gamut and there was only one setup, whatever I heard had good enough detail but there was never a reference to compare. The black level was quieter than silence.

Nevertheless the so called bookshelf is worth a listen, and almost matches its high selling price.

Regards.

Behram.


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Arj
Inventar
#13 erstellt: 24. Okt 2007, 15:50
Behram, what is the selling price (Was that crass of me ? to get to the Price factor ?? )
Behram
Ist häufiger hier
#14 erstellt: 25. Okt 2007, 02:37
Rs.1,08,000 for Bookshelf PHi3
Arj
Inventar
#15 erstellt: 25. Okt 2007, 04:16
considering that the list price is aroun 2200 USD, that is a very very nice pricing in INdia considering freight, Customs and low audiophile volumes !

wish others did the same.

I have only been exposed to the Gamut D200 amp running a pair of Sonus Fabers (one of the older homage series) and what i remember is that the usual euphonic sweetness of ths SBs were reduced such that made more vibrant sound. i think some of the discussions were on the absolute neutrality of the amp and that this was the closest to a "wire with gain" many had heard.

I hope the Phi3 which appears to be more entry level compared to the L series, follows the same philosophy of thought


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bhagwan69
Inventar
#16 erstellt: 25. Okt 2007, 06:17

Behram schrieb:
Rs.1,08,000 for Bookshelf PHi3


I am not sure, but I think that particular speaker that you listened to was @ Rs. 103/- K.

p.s. The US $'s price of 2.2/- K has been revised. The Euro is @ 1 : 1.42. The current US $ Retail price is around 2.4 - 2.5 K

I think GamuT in India [Hermit Audio] has kept its MSRP at par with Euro Retail Prices. Before 'discount' i.e.
Hermit offers demo's [in show room - demo room] followed with in house demo if the 'prospective client' likes what he has 'heard'

All 'Phi' Series Speakers are in stock [all models and all finish]. All GamuT Electronics are in stock [except S 300]. Only 1 pair of GamuT 'L' Series Speaker is n stock.
[I know because I warehouse for them].
Kamal
Stammgast
#17 erstellt: 25. Okt 2007, 12:49

Rs.1,08,000 for Bookshelf PHi3
/or 1.3k,whatever-
Price appears rather stiff for a bookshelf-
would it not be better to buy ProAc Studio 140, the beautiful spkr that Sanjay has, @ Rs 1.2k instead?


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Arj
Inventar
#18 erstellt: 25. Okt 2007, 13:02
hmm.. interesting quote..;)
Price appears rather stiff for a bookshelf-


i would rate the 1.2K proac response bookshelf miles above the studio anyday
ani
Stammgast
#19 erstellt: 25. Okt 2007, 13:24
Quantity v/s Quality

The first costly lesson most of us go through while buying speakers

I believe that it is easier to live with a high quality limited LF bookshelf than with poor extended LF range floorstander.

Regards
Anil
abhi.pani
Inventar
#20 erstellt: 25. Okt 2007, 14:39

Arj schrieb:
hmm.. interesting quote..;)
Price appears rather stiff for a bookshelf-


i would rate the 1.2K proac response bookshelf miles above the studio anyday


Couldnt agree more...
Arj
Inventar
#21 erstellt: 25. Okt 2007, 16:12

ani schrieb:
Quantity v/s Quality

The first costly lesson most of us go through while buying speakers


Amen to that..lots of money down the drain of learning
Amp_Nut
Inventar
#22 erstellt: 26. Okt 2007, 02:56


Hermit offers demo's [in show room - demo room]
followed with in house demo
if the 'prospective client' likes what he has 'heard'


GREAT Going, Guys. Keep it up !

Burge Cooper and AVI... are you listing ?

AVI sells even Rs 10 Lakh speakers like toothpast.

AVI's policy probably goes something like this
"You take it home... you dont like how it sounds in your room, .... that is your problem. Once you pay your monery and walk out of the show room.... please dont contact us again... our association has concluded ( until you want to pay again for something else ! ) "
bhagwan69
Inventar
#23 erstellt: 26. Okt 2007, 03:14

Kamal schrieb:

Rs.1,08,000 for Bookshelf PHi3
/or 1.3k,whatever-
Price appears rather stiff for a bookshelf-
would it not be better to buy ProAc Studio 140, the beautiful spkr that Sanjay has, @ Rs 1.2k instead?


Hello Kamalji !

Yes, I liked Docs speakers. They are nice.
Surely better than the Dynaudio Audiance & B/W 600 Series.
However they were not even playing up to 50 % of their potential. Room + Set Up + Cables + Power Supply etc [I could go on].

This GamuT Phi 3 is a really really small speaker. It has a Scanspeak Super Revelator Tweeter [Ring Radiator] in it. This is the 'cheapest' speaker in the world that I am aware of which uses this driver.
Most other speakers that use this tweeter sell their speakers @ 10 K Euro's ++++
This does not mean much, but when each tweeter cost 400 US $'s [on Solen or Madisound] the price that you pay for the finished product is 'very competative' with regards to its 'component' cost.

Surely, the final price / sound etc. is very very personal. Some may like Dynaudio [like me] other like Proac & many like B & W, in the same manner some may take a fancy to GamuT too. I am presuming this.

I guess, Behram was pleasently surprised by the sound that this 'small' book shelf was able to create. I wonder what the Phi 5 & Phi 7 will do ????
bhagwan69
Inventar
#24 erstellt: 26. Okt 2007, 04:32

Amp_Nut schrieb:


Hermit offers demo's [in show room - demo room]
followed with in house demo
if the 'prospective client' likes what he has 'heard'


GREAT Going, Guys. Keep it up !

Burge Cooper and AVI... are you listing ?

AVI sells even Rs 10 Lakh speakers like toothpast.

AVI's policy probably goes something like this
"You take it home... you dont like how it sounds in your room, .... that is your problem. Once you pay your monery and walk out of the show room.... please dont contact us again... our association has concluded ( ntil you want to pay again for something else ! ) "


Hello A. N. !

I do not have any experiance with AVI, hence no comments;

Just drop by @ Hermit for a listen. You just need to get your CD's along.

Listen & Experiance the options that exist. No commercial compulsions.
ani
Stammgast
#25 erstellt: 26. Okt 2007, 05:12
Hi Bhagwan,

How is the Hermit Room treatment ? Is it treated to be comparable to an average home set up or is it too well done?

Regards
Ani
bhagwan69
Inventar
#26 erstellt: 26. Okt 2007, 07:20

ani schrieb:
Hi Bhagwan,

How is the Hermit Room treatment ? Is it treated to be comparable to an average home set up or is it too well done?

Regards
Ani


I am not so sure, but the work seems to be minimal;
It is a demo room that has been made in a converted warehouse. hence the ceiling was lowered from 18 feet to 11 feet.
The walls are RCC or Brick + Plaster. No treatment has been done.
The Flooring is artificial carpet [budget].
The wall behind the speaker has some square boxes put, since there was no window & hence no courtains, some fabric was required.
Reqular sofa to sit & a coffee table.

All in all, it has the look of a room in a house; At least that is what I feel.
You must have seen the pictures [I presume].
Do try and drop by for a listen, when ever you visit Mumbai.
ani
Stammgast
#27 erstellt: 26. Okt 2007, 09:41
Bhagwan,
Thank you for the information, so the room is acoustically comparable to an avg living room. I had seen the pics you had posted but couldnt make out how far the walls and ceilings were treated.

Have already marked Gamut as a stop for my next visit.

Regards
Ani
bhagwan69
Inventar
#28 erstellt: 01. Jun 2008, 07:00
I was at the Hermit Audio Demo Room last week;

I auditioned the GamuT L5 + DI 150 + CD 3 & I may say that this was the best rendering of GamuT I have ever heard.

There are a few GamuT set ups in Mumbai. I may have heard most - I think.
GamuT M200 + Revel Ultimate Salon + EMM Labs
GamuT M 230 with Cadence Arca + GamuT D3 + GamuT CD1
GamuT L5 with GamuT D 200 + GamuT C2R
GamuT D200 + C2R + Neeper Acoustics + BowTechnology ZZ 8
GamuT L5 + Meridian 808.2 + Vitus Audio
etc. etc.

All said, this [I feel] may just be the 'best' amongst all the above I have auditioned in Mumbai.
Actually I have heard the S300 & S600 amplifiers from GamuT too & I never liked them.

Basically GamuT sound never 'apealed' to me. I was never the person that could appreciate GamuT. I just found it too 'cold' & 'lifeless'
This particular set up @ Hermit Audio too is 'dry' & 'transparent' but may just be 'audible' to my ears.

Most persons that live in Mumbai & around can and should call - take an appointment & just drop by for a listen - it is free. Just remember to get your software along !!


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sivat
Stammgast
#29 erstellt: 02. Jun 2008, 05:40
I've not heard the Gamut speakers. I've heard thier electronics in Mumbai (with you) and Singapore.

I feel thier electronics sound "natural". I will defintely not classify it as "cold" ... to each his own !! I really liked thier sound...over other hi-end brands i've heard.

Doesn't Ayre also has somewhat similar sonic signature ... from what i' remember
bhagwan69
Inventar
#30 erstellt: 02. Jun 2008, 07:00

sivat schrieb:
I've not heard the Gamut speakers. I've heard thier electronics in Mumbai (with you) and Singapore.

I feel thier electronics sound "natural". I will defintely not classify it as "cold" ... to each his own !! I really liked thier sound...over other hi-end brands i've heard.

Doesn't Ayre also has somewhat similar sonic signature ... from what i' remember


Personally - I prefer Ayre to GamuT.

I most definately find GamuT to be Cold & Lifeless. Fast & Accurate for sure. Very Transparent, but lacks 'soul' for me.

All said, the Hermit Audio Demo room - sound ok to me.
Hence, I posted this message here. It is a good high end experiance to be had for FREE.......
Basically if some one does not want to play the B & W / Dynaudio / Focal game, then this is an option to consider.


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Amp_Nut
Inventar
#31 erstellt: 02. Jun 2008, 08:15


I most definately find GamuT to be Cold & Lifeless. Fast & Accurate for sure. Very Transparent, but lacks 'soul' for me.


Ditto for me.

I also find a full Gamut System sounds Rather Lean...

Just my 2 cents, and ofcourse that is my Personal preference..
square_wave
Inventar
#32 erstellt: 02. Jun 2008, 11:10

Amp_Nut schrieb:


I most definately find GamuT to be Cold & Lifeless. Fast & Accurate for sure. Very Transparent, but lacks 'soul' for me.


Ditto for me.

I also find a full Gamut System sounds Rather Lean...

Just my 2 cents, and ofcourse that is my Personal preference..



Hi ampnut,
When you say “lean”, what do you exactly mean ?
1. Lack of body in the instruments (sounding thin)?
2. Lean detailed bass accompanied by lack of mid-bass hump (most people who listen to this kind of system categorize them under “ lean”)
3. Any other ?
square_wave
Inventar
#33 erstellt: 02. Jun 2008, 11:15

bhagwan69 schrieb:

sivat schrieb:
I've not heard the Gamut speakers. I've heard thier electronics in Mumbai (with you) and Singapore.

I feel thier electronics sound "natural". I will defintely not classify it as "cold" ... to each his own !! I really liked thier sound...over other hi-end brands i've heard.

Doesn't Ayre also has somewhat similar sonic signature ... from what i' remember


Personally - I prefer Ayre to GamuT.

I most definately find GamuT to be Cold & Lifeless. Fast & Accurate for sure. Very Transparent, but lacks 'soul' for me.

All said, the Hermit Audio Demo room - sound ok to me.
Hence, I posted this message here. It is a good high end experiance to be had for FREE.......
Basically if some one does not want to play the B & W / Dynaudio / Focal game, then this is an option to consider.


How would you compare a gamut system to a dynaudio/bryston combo ? My point of reference to cold and sterile is one such combo.
I am trying to understand what you meant.
Amp_Nut
Inventar
#34 erstellt: 02. Jun 2008, 11:22


Hi ampnut,
When you say “lean”, what do you exactly mean ?



Lean bass & NO mid-bass hump
square_wave
Inventar
#35 erstellt: 02. Jun 2008, 11:43

Amp_Nut schrieb:


Hi ampnut,
When you say “lean”, what do you exactly mean ?



Lean bass & NO mid-bass hump


Thanks..
Arj
Inventar
#36 erstellt: 02. Jun 2008, 14:28
i have heard their older amps with a sonus faber. I believe these are some of the truly neutral equipment in the market..for most of us, truly neutral does not mean nice sounding ie "musical" :D. i guess they should sound good in well matched setup..
funnily most neutral setups have always sounded lean to me which leads me to believe i prefer more lush sound .
bhagwan69
Inventar
#37 erstellt: 02. Jun 2008, 16:08

square_wave schrieb:

bhagwan69 schrieb:

sivat schrieb:




How would you compare a gamut system to a dynaudio/bryston combo ? My point of reference to cold and sterile is one such combo.
I am trying to understand what you meant.


Hey - This is what I had 5 years back.

Dynaudio Confidence 5 + Bryston 7B ST + Pass Labs X1.

This was not cold for me; I loved the Dynaudio & still have very high regard for it. Please do bear in mind I am referring to the Dynaudio Confidence 5.
This had an Esotar Midrange + Esotar Tweeter.
The Brystons in that case were the let down.


But, I still miss that mid band of the esotar dome mid range driver !!!!

I have to go to a dear friends place to listen to it through a Wadia 861B + Mark Levinson 38S + Plinus SA 250 MK III or IV [not sure]. It still floats my boat in some aspects !!!
bhagwan69
Inventar
#38 erstellt: 02. Jun 2008, 16:11

Amp_Nut schrieb:


Hi ampnut,
When you say “lean”, what do you exactly mean ?



Lean bass & NO mid-bass hump


Hi AN !

Come & listen to it again.
We will go to have some vada pav too at the end of the session.
It soulds very very different. Trust me.
bhagwan69
Inventar
#39 erstellt: 02. Jun 2008, 16:13

Arj schrieb:
i have heard their older amps with a sonus faber. I believe these are some of the truly neutral equipment in the market..for most of us, truly neutral does not mean nice sounding ie "musical" :D. i guess they should sound good in well matched setup..
funnily most neutral setups have always sounded lean to me which leads me to believe i prefer more lush sound .


I agree with ARJ;

Neutral + Transparent = Lean & 'un involving'
More often than not.

I too like a lush sound - just that it has to be laid back. Nothing up front is ok for me......
sivat
Stammgast
#40 erstellt: 03. Jun 2008, 04:03

bhagwan69 schrieb:

Arj schrieb:
i have heard their older amps with a sonus faber. I believe these are some of the truly neutral equipment in the market..for most of us, truly neutral does not mean nice sounding ie "musical" :D. i guess they should sound good in well matched setup..
funnily most neutral setups have always sounded lean to me which leads me to believe i prefer more lush sound .


I agree with ARJ;

Neutral + Transparent = Lean & 'un involving'
More often than not.

I too like a lush sound - just that it has to be laid back. Nothing up front is ok for me......



Hmmmm....do not really agree. Again...to each his own

When the system is euphonic/lush .... it does not really sound good with someone like Hariprasad Chruasia..or for that matter with Ben Webster.

If a system sounds lean, I'll agree it will not sound nice. However, this problem (sounding lean) has nothing to do with neutrality.

Jump to tube amps...it's got a whole different meaning to this


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Manek
Inventar
#41 erstellt: 03. Jun 2008, 04:24

Jump to tube amps...it's got a whole different meaning to this


siva i like the way you think

manek.
square_wave
Inventar
#42 erstellt: 03. Jun 2008, 07:01
Hi Arj,
“Truly neutral” means “truly musical” if done right. When listening to un-amplified live music, I always feel it is truly neutral as well as musical. The lush instruments will sound lush and the thin instruments sound thin.
I agree with you totally that some of the neutral equipment out there in the market is not musical. They strive to make sound dry and lifeless thereby trying to convince the buyer that they are “colorless”.
In truth, it is just another type of voicing. They manage to make everything sound “lifeless” and “non-lush”.

Agree with siva that with tubes it all gets a different meaning.


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Amp_Nut
Inventar
#43 erstellt: 03. Jun 2008, 07:46


I agree with you totally that some of the neutral equipment out there in the market is not musical.


I agree.

And Sadly ( IMHO ) a LOT of such stuff is trumpeted as "Truly Adiophile" that is appreciated only after the listner has achieved some 'Audiophile Maturity'



Agree with siva that with tubes it all gets a different meaning.

Me too...
bhagwan69
Inventar
#44 erstellt: 03. Jun 2008, 08:15
To each his own;
At the end of the day - it is about what floats ones boat !

If a set up in your house plays to a level that satisfies oneself - brilliant. At the end of the day, that set up will be heard by its owner more that 90 - 95 % of the time.

I just feel, that there are so many options that exist, we have a chance to listen and widen our horizons - so we should take the chance. Writing about it is good fun, but the actual pleasure is in listening to it !!

abhi.pani
Inventar
#45 erstellt: 03. Jun 2008, 08:57

square_wave schrieb:
Hi Arj,
“Truly neutral” means “truly musical” if done right. When listening to un-amplified live music, I always feel it is truly neutral as well as musical. The lush instruments will sound lush and the thin instruments sound thin.


Truly neutral means just true to the source material...Musical or not is decided by what is on the disc.
Any further extrapolation of neutrality is like adding your own colour to the defination.
reignofchaos
Stammgast
#46 erstellt: 03. Jun 2008, 09:33

abhi.pani schrieb:

square_wave schrieb:
Hi Arj,
“Truly neutral” means “truly musical” if done right. When listening to un-amplified live music, I always feel it is truly neutral as well as musical. The lush instruments will sound lush and the thin instruments sound thin.


Truly neutral means just true to the source material...Musical or not is decided by what is on the disc.
Any further extrapolation of neutrality is like adding your own colour to the defination.


Spot on! Neutrality does mean that bad recordings should sound bad and I believe thats how it should be. However obviously an absolutely neutral system doesn't exist. Every system colors sound to varying degrees. Some folks like red while others like blue :KR.

BTW isn't Ajay the Illusion Car Audio guy? Good to know he's venturing into home audio cos the little i've conversed with him, he seemed like a very dedicated music lover.


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Arj
Inventar
#47 erstellt: 03. Jun 2008, 16:22
I guess this whole neutrality thingie is a mythical beast

But in the end we must not forget the media..not all media is recorded equal and no matter what sort of a system we have we a re still hearing only a version of the original musical truth (all from microphone to recorder adds colour) !

I have come to believe that no system can reproduce live unamplified music since the recording itself is never true to the original. eg i have even enjoyed live music unamplified/amplified by unknown bands playing unknown music in unknown languages but the same cannot be said of music systems..there is usually something which is "Lost in conversion". maybe the shortest path ( like in many tube/SET implementations) loses less of the music in spite of higher distortion..and hence the "Musicality" ?

maybe the reason that some have found proclaimed neutral systems not so interesting as the slightly hot/flavoured ones..is that the whole word "neutral" gives a psych-accoustic connotation of being "Bland" and hence boring


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bhagwan69
Inventar
#48 erstellt: 03. Jun 2008, 17:51

reignofchaos schrieb:

abhi.pani schrieb:

square_wave schrieb:



BTW isn't Ajay the Illusion Car Audio guy? Good to know he's venturing into home audio cos the little i've conversed with him, he seemed like a very dedicated music lover.


Yes Sir,

AK = Ajay Kamath is Bass & Trouble [Team BHP] & the CEO @ Hermit Audio. They are my clients. They stock / distribute / sell Car Audio + GamuT.
Steg + Illusion Audio + Ground Zero Audio etc. is the car audio stuff that Hermit Audio sells. They [Hermit] also stock & distribute GamuT. That is how I have axcess to it.
I have not purchased any GamuT from them, but all my cars have Steg [7 of them] & Illusion Audio [Carbon] & Dynaudio [System 240] & MB Quart [Q Line] etc. etc.

AK is a nice chap and knows a lot about car audio !
square_wave
Inventar
#49 erstellt: 04. Jun 2008, 06:35

Arj schrieb:
I guess this whole neutrality thingie is a mythical beast

But in the end we must not forget the media..not all media is recorded equal and no matter what sort of a system we have we a re still hearing only a version of the original musical truth (all from microphone to recorder adds colour) !

I have come to believe that no system can reproduce live unamplified music since the recording itself is never true to the original. eg i have even enjoyed live music unamplified/amplified by unknown bands playing unknown music in unknown languages but the same cannot be said of music systems..there is usually something which is "Lost in conversion". maybe the shortest path ( like in many tube/SET implementations) loses less of the music in spite of higher distortion..and hence the "Musicality" ?

maybe the reason that some have found proclaimed neutral systems not so interesting as the slightly hot/flavoured ones..is that the whole word "neutral" gives a psych-accoustic connotation of being "Bland" and hence boring


I think my post was misconstrued.

When I said “listening to live unamplified music”, I meant actually listening to “live performers”. I did not mean listening to such music on a system.
To me such an experience does not sound like how it sounds with some so called neutral components. I am talking about some mainstream components
which are “voiced” to sound dry and lifeless and are advertised as the holy grail of ‘neutral sound”. Some such gear are actually voiced “bland” and they
sound like that too. It is not the psych-accoustic connotation which makes it bland.
I find some DIY stuff to be much more lifelike and neutral. More like how it sounds at the actual venue.

I do not like hot or flavored systems. Systems that does not fit into the “dry and lifeless” do not automatically fit into the “ hot and flavored” category.

I agree with you that the whole thing of “ neutral” is a mythical beast.
Nothing is truly neutral. I personally find the SET implementations to be more like it. But then it is my personal opinion.
I was just talking about some of the brands which are touted as “neutral” but actually sounds “bland and lifeless”.


[Beitrag von square_wave am 04. Jun 2008, 07:04 bearbeitet]
Arj
Inventar
#50 erstellt: 04. Jun 2008, 08:11

square_wave schrieb:

I think my post was misconstrued.

When I said “listening to live unamplified music”, I meant actually listening to “live performers”. I did not mean listening to such music on a system.
.

square, thats what I meant too..what i was trying to say was expecting the same output as the original "live" feeling via a system is not possible thats all
So true neutrality to sound could be a myth..what we are all talking of is neutrality to the source media which is anyway compromised .
sivat
Stammgast
#51 erstellt: 05. Jun 2008, 02:46

Arj schrieb:
I guess this whole neutrality thingie is a mythical beast

But in the end we must not forget the media..not all media is recorded equal and no matter what sort of a system we have we a re still hearing only a version of the original musical truth (all from microphone to recorder adds colour) !

I have come to believe that no system can reproduce live unamplified music since the recording itself is never true to the original. eg i have even enjoyed live music unamplified/amplified by unknown bands playing unknown music in unknown languages but the same cannot be said of music systems..there is usually something which is "Lost in conversion". maybe the shortest path ( like in many tube/SET implementations) loses less of the music in spite of higher distortion..and hence the "Musicality" ?

maybe the reason that some have found proclaimed neutral systems not so interesting as the slightly hot/flavoured ones..is that the whole word "neutral" gives a psych-accoustic connotation of being "Bland" and hence boring


Do not deny the fact about the quality of recording...and more importantly the quality of machines used to print the CDs.

However, we do not want our equipment make it more worse....by adding its own flavor ... do we
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