Tube Preamp: Acoustic Portrait Reference PM-1 for SALE

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abhi.pani
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#1 erstellt: 29. Jun 2009, 16:59

Dear Friends,
I am selling my Acoustic Portrait PM-1 Tube preamp. Its their reference model and needless to say is an amazing preamp even at the new retail price. They performed neck to neck with some of the most well regarded preamps under 150k including Shindo Labs. I am selling them only because my power amp has a lot of gain and I would be just happy with a Passive preamp. That would also allow me to make little adjustments in volume level in a easier way.

Sonically they sounded like the best of solid state and tube combo. Neutral sound with a clean tight bass but the organic quality of the tube is retained to the fullest. Amazingly detailed and transparent for a tube preamp.

This preamp is around 8 months old. I have upgraded the tubes to JJ (Siva feels that is the best match for this preamp). They are in mint condition. I had paid 68k for the preamp.
Please PM me to discuss further.

regards
Abhi

bhagwan69
Inventar

#2 erstellt: 30. Jun 2009, 19:31

abhi.pani schrieb:

They are in mint condition. I had paid 68k for the preamp.
Please PM me to discuss further.

All the best with your sale.

If you are looking @ a passive device - may I recommend Music First Audio.
KB in Bangalore has it.
Borrow it & listen to it;
I love the product, was [am] still keen to buy 1 for myself, but MFA & myself cannot come to a 'price understanding' for the top of the line 'ref' model.
I recommend this passive pre very hightly.
At least listen to it !

abhi.pani
Inventar

#3 erstellt: 01. Jul 2009, 06:52

Hi Bhagwan,
I have listened to it couple of times in my system. I liked it as well. Thanks for your suggestion.

maxcoutinho
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#4 erstellt: 01. Jul 2009, 09:45

I too am looking out for a TVC Pre which I believe the MFA is.

Maybe we can look at the possibility of placing a group order and posibly get a good pricing. What say?

Max

abhi.pani
Inventar

#5 erstellt: 01. Jul 2009, 10:40

I will PM you on that.

herculepirate
Stammgast

#6 erstellt: 01. Jul 2009, 21:08

Bhagwan:
What is the Price they are quoting for the REFERENCE model.
Which one did you listen to?
Which Model does the Banglore guy have ?

Regards

HerculePirate

herculepirate
Stammgast

#7 erstellt: 01. Jul 2009, 21:13

9000 UK POUNDS.....for the REFERENCE model approximately.
???

Hell is right here

HP

bhagwan69
Inventar

#8 erstellt: 02. Jul 2009, 03:04

I heard a 1000 Pound fellow in my house - thst is what is in use by my friend in Bangalore. It is a great VFM product.
WHat I wanted for myself was the ref model, but I was not in a position to come to a price understanding with MFA.
All said, this is a 'good' pre amplifier.

The entry level pre is a good pre. Will take the fight home to most pre amps up to 5 K !
I heard the middle of the line pre in Munich - MOC - 2 months back with ML Power Amps.

bhagwan69
Inventar

#9 erstellt: 02. Jul 2009, 03:07

herculepirate schrieb:

9000 UK POUNDS.....for the REFERENCE model approximately.
???

Hell is right here

HP

http://www.audiogon....t-audio-refernce-pas

This is the model for sale on Audiogon.
Just for your info...

Rather expensive - I felt so too.

This pre should be 'listed' @ 4 to 5 K Pounds - Max - tops...Not 9 K as it currently is.
Besides it is a 'passive' device.
Inputs & Outputs cannot be programmed etc.

square_wave
Inventar

#10 erstellt: 02. Jul 2009, 07:27

9000 pounds for a passive device

Bloody daylight robbery

I am sure if a good DIY guy puts his heart into it, he can make one for 1/10th of the price and probably beat it.

Siva, are you listening ?

bhagwan69
Inventar

#11 erstellt: 02. Jul 2009, 08:07

square_wave schrieb:

9000 pounds for a passive device

Bloody daylight robbery

Yes Sir !
My thoughts.
It is rape & roberry all together !!

9 K Pounds - insane

sivat
Stammgast

#12 erstellt: 02. Jul 2009, 08:14

square_wave schrieb:

9000 pounds for a passive device

Bloody daylight robbery

I am sure if a good DIY guy puts his heart into it, he can make one for 1/10th of the price and probably beat it.

Siva, are you listening ?

I'm not an expert on this...but there are many cheaper solutions available and there are manufactuers who know what they are doing.....you can probably get a Passive transformer done in pure silver for less than this price

square_wave
Inventar

#13 erstellt: 02. Jul 2009, 08:57

Stevens & Billington makes the transformers for them.

http://www.stevens-billington.co.uk/pagehifi.htm

Amp_Nut
Inventar

#14 erstellt: 02. Jul 2009, 09:57

.you can probably get a Passive transformer done in pure silver for less than this price

9000 UK pounds = Rs 79 x 9,000 = Rs 7,11,000

Today's rate : Siller is less than Rs 22,000 per Kg

9000 UK pounds = 32 Kgs of Silver

bhagwan69
Inventar

#15 erstellt: 02. Jul 2009, 10:01

There is no Silver in this pre amp.
It is a 'passive' device.

I guess the rate includes purse / bags for thier wife & mistresses... !! Just kiddin... but truly, insane price. Just like that The Lars Tube Amplifier - reviewed in The Stereophile - last month @ 100 K US $'s for a 16 watt 300 B tube amp.
This audio world has gone 'ko - ko' !!!

http://thelars.se/

http://blog.stereophile.com/ces2009/lars_by_lars/

http://blog.stereophile.com/ces2009/ithei_lars/

abhi.pani
Inventar

#16 erstellt: 02. Jul 2009, 10:17

Even the most entry level model that you heard is 1600 pounds (not 1000). They are expensive.

Amp_Nut
Inventar

#17 erstellt: 02. Jul 2009, 10:45

There is no Silver in this pre amp.
It is a 'passive' device.

Transformers ARE passive devices, and sometimes transformers are wound with Silver wire..

ani
Stammgast

#18 erstellt: 02. Jul 2009, 13:13

Hi,
Are we forgeting that we are not paying for the cost of induvidual components but for the "MFA" passive pre

Jokes apart, It looks like the global eco slowdown has increased the price of all Toys, be it audio, camera lenses or game rifles !!

Amp_Nut
Inventar

#19 erstellt: 02. Jul 2009, 13:18

I agree ani....

I just wanted to point out that one would have to use an AWEFUL lot of silver to justify price based on the material cost of Silver .

Maybe they want to live off a SINGLE sale ... ?

I also remembering reading recently that the perception at the Munich HiFi Show was that manufacturers MUST price your product above ATLEAST US $ 2500 for it to be taken seriously

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Gelscht
Gelöscht

#20 erstellt: 02. Jul 2009, 15:16

Hi,

These guys seem to be getting positive comments for their products.An inexpensive alternative to MFA?

http://www.bentaudio.com/index2.html

Regards
Rajiv

abhi.pani
Inventar

#21 erstellt: 03. Jul 2009, 06:45

Rajiv schrieb:

Hi,

These guys seem to be getting positive comments for their products.An inexpensive alternative to MFA?

http://www.bentaudio.com/index2.html

Regards
Rajiv

These are resistor based Volume controls not Transformer coupled.

Gelscht
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#22 erstellt: 03. Jul 2009, 08:37

Hi,

These are resistor based Volume controls not Transformer coupled.

The TAP X is not resistor based.It uses an autoformer.

http://www.intactaudio.com/atten_FAQ.html

Regards
Rajiv

bombaywalla
Stammgast

#23 erstellt: 06. Jul 2009, 01:31

bhagwan69 schrieb:

http://thelars.se/

http://blog.stereophile.com/ces2009/lars_by_lars/

http://blog.stereophile.com/ces2009/ithei_lars/

:)

If we are talking about "torn a new hole many time over" or "gang rape"

then add Kondo-san's Audio Note Japan products to that list.

Amp_Nut
Inventar

#24 erstellt: 06. Jul 2009, 10:13

Of all the pricing stratergies ... the one I find Particularly laughable, is the selective ripoff.... an example:

Stereophile Review

Wavelength Cosecant v3 USB digital/analog converter:
Specifications
Sidebar 1: Specifications

Description: Single-box digital-to-analog converter with USB data input for use with Macintosh or Windows PCs. Supported input data formats: 16- or 24-bit word lengths; 44.1, 48, 88.2, or 96kHz sample rates. Analog output jacks: 1 pair RCA. Output impedance: 500 ohms. Maximum output voltage: 2.5V (partly tube-dependent). Frequency range: 20Hz–20kHz.
Dimensions: 6.5" (165mm) W by 5.5" (140mm) H by 6.5" (165mm) D. Weight: 3 lbs (1.4kg).
Serial Number Of Unit Reviewed: 26-0078.
Price: $3500; optional volume control, add $500; optional silver output transformers, upgrade, add $6500. Approximate number of dealers: 10.
Manufacturer: Wavelength Audio, Ltd., 3703 Petoskey Avenue, Cincinnati, OH 45227. Tel: (513) 271-4186. Web:

www.usbdacs.com,

www.wavelengthaudio.com.

It seems fair to presume that the manuafacturer is making the money that he wanted to, at the regular price of US $ 3500

Extras should therefore be priced at actuals + a 'reasonable' markup to cover overheads & take a similar % profit.

However, for the Silver Transformer ONLY, there is an EXTRA US6.500 !

Now US $ 6500 at todays rate of Silver, will buy more than 14 Kbs of Silver, while the ENTIRE product, including the housing weighs 1.4 Kgs

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square_wave
Inventar

#25 erstellt: 06. Jul 2009, 10:58

Amp_Nut schrieb:

Of all the pricing stratergies ... the one I find Particularly laughable, is the selective ripoff.... an example:

Stereophile Review

www.usbdacs.com,

www.wavelengthaudio.com.

I am sure the manufacturer will be going around in a Porsche

ani
Stammgast

#26 erstellt: 07. Jul 2009, 07:31

Porche will be too cheap for him !! Provided he finds enough buyers for his silver ware

SWITCH-IT-ON
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#27 erstellt: 11. Aug 2009, 08:29

Hello....

A mint VTL TL-5.5 Pre is available on Audiogon. Do consider it.

http://www.audiogon....-mint-perfect-condit

captrajesh
Neuling

#28 erstellt: 24. Jul 2010, 10:21

Hi

Is the Pre-amp still available?

abhi.pani
Inventar

#29 erstellt: 25. Jul 2010, 18:54

Yes still available but no more for sale

. After Siva changed the tubes to 6N2P this preamp has improved by leaps and bounds, almost a keeper now.

I would highly recommend you talk to Siva (he is a forum member here) and try to get him to make you one if you are sincerely looking for a high quality tube preamp.

sivat
Stammgast

#30 erstellt: 26. Jul 2010, 03:27

There is another used PM-1 preamp available from one of my friend, as he upgraded to a more souped up version of the same preamp. Expected Price : Rs.42k/-

Alternatively a cheaper version of the preamp (in everyway similar to PM1, except that it has been enclosed in a cheaper "Delhi" chassis (As they call in Bangalore), but well reinforced mechanically. A Chinese attenuator with SMD and a combination of Panasonic/Solen caps for sigal...a great Value @ 22k. As an uprade over regular PM1, all resistors are DALE.

Manek
Inventar

#31 erstellt: 26. Jul 2010, 04:31

....Delhi chassis ?

Got to see this one....siva what does "Delhi chasis" look like ?

Manek

sivat
Stammgast

#32 erstellt: 26. Jul 2010, 05:08

They are the cheapest Chassis one can purchase, down south. It is know as Delhi Chassis...because it generally comes from there (impossible to make chassis at this in cost..anywhere in Bangalore or Chennai)

They are generally supplied with various DIY kits (also from Delhi) available to the budget end of the market.

Arj
Inventar

#33 erstellt: 26. Jul 2010, 06:14

as long as it is not like the Delhi Belly, it should be ok !

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Arj
Inventar

#34 erstellt: 27. Jul 2010, 05:35

Siva, heard your latest SS amp incarnation with GMA Eos speakers in bangalore. you really have a great product..extremely smooth and flowing with a very good punch !

sivat
Stammgast

#35 erstellt: 27. Jul 2010, 07:50

Thanks Arj. It was one of the early models, which is already sold out. Trying to come up with a new model, which better asthetics, as many are complaining on that front.