Audiophile Male : Female 100 : 0

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vpriyan
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#1 erstellt: 01. Dez 2006, 11:55
I have gone through many audiophile forums including ecoustics, audio review and I noticed not even a single girl is a audiophile.....


I guess Audiophile is ""definitely male""
Amp_Nut
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#2 erstellt: 01. Dez 2006, 12:14
Keep looking, pal.

You WILL find some lady reviewers of audiophile hardware....
abhi.pani
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#3 erstellt: 01. Dez 2006, 12:29

vpriyan schrieb:
I noticed not even a single girl is a audiophile.....


You mean not a single audiophile was female..
Arj
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#4 erstellt: 01. Dez 2006, 13:01

abhi.pani schrieb:

vpriyan schrieb:
I noticed not even a single girl is a audiophile.....


You mean not a single audiophile was female.. :D



even the married ones are not audiophiles
vpriyan
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#5 erstellt: 01. Dez 2006, 13:04
thats because a female is entering in his life..so eventhough he is a audiophile after marriage it becomes

(+1)+(-1)=0
abhi.pani
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#6 erstellt: 01. Dez 2006, 13:08
It is also possible that there would be many female audiophiles but they dont surf the net and join forums as voraciously as we do. They could be utilizing their time better by enjoying music and doing other more essential activities than writing posts and reviews on the net...
ani
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#7 erstellt: 01. Dez 2006, 13:21
Dear Abhi,

How can an audiphile not read or write reviews. Enjoying music is just one part of the game
SUB_BOSS
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#8 erstellt: 01. Dez 2006, 13:26

They could be utilizing their time better by enjoying music and doing other more essential activities than writing posts and reviews on the net...


Right and usually Indian females avoid being active on forums as guys seem to be over enthusiasitic about her tel no and make every excuse to meet her, date her and get to the point of ultimatum they have in mind.... So as long as these desperate guys are around it's hard to se true blue female audiophiles around on net. Period.
vpriyan
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#9 erstellt: 01. Dez 2006, 13:27
yeah I second that...Browsing through various forums, reading AVMax and What HiFi will be inbuilt in any audiophile's mind...

BTW nowadays I feel AVMax is also a biased one like What HiFi...particularly the reviews by Nishant Padhiar...Whatever the system he is giving 8 or 9/10...I am noticing this for the past 2 years...

But Mehul Mepani is good..I guess he is a Jazz Fan as he gives good scores to the system which suits well for Jazz..and also I guess he hates Onkyo
Arj
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#10 erstellt: 01. Dez 2006, 13:46

ani schrieb:
Dear Abhi,

How can an audiphile not read or write reviews. Enjoying music is just one part of the game :)



totally true. if you are happy with the only kit you have ever owned and do not want/dream of a uber setup and keep up to date with the new component reviews and have at least 5 (!) review sites on your bookmark, you might not real audiophile in the New World order.

you are a music lover but still not a audiophile

(in the past, due to lack of internet, the friendly neighboorhood dealer and magazines might have been the only source of info)
SUB_BOSS
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#11 erstellt: 01. Dez 2006, 13:47
AV MAx and Onkyo are in the same band wagon so you see full page ads form Onkyo and get good points on reviews and as well as sure award...


What Hifi gets nothing form Onkyo hence hates it... simple.

Overall both these mags put together are 150 bucks of crap..
SUB_BOSS
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#12 erstellt: 01. Dez 2006, 13:55

totally true. if you are happy with the only kit you have ever owned and do not want/dream of a uber setup and keep up to date with the new component reviews and have at least 5 (!) review sites on your bookmark, you might not real audiophile in the New World order.

you are a music lover but still not a audiophile


You mean all this is required to qualify as an audiophile??
Then in my opinion I'm not. I would prefer to be a music lover than an audiophile by injecting unnecessary stuff into peaceful minds which in first place should enjoy music.
I feel all this trend is created more by manufacturers to sell more stuff to peolple who are happy. I personally have not seen any groundbreaking technology evolved in 20 years.

Meaning of audiophile according to dictionary :

a person who is especially interested in high-fidelity sound reproduction


So discussions, auditions etc are a means to acheive it.

I'm quite amused to see as to how this word has been taken seriously by many and coining their own definitions with additions made what one feels right...A total rape of word audiophile.

IMHO get your set up to sound best first and enjoy music..Rest is all crap.


reading AVMax and What HiFi will be inbuilt in any audiophile's mind...


Not in my mind.


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ani
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#13 erstellt: 01. Dez 2006, 14:09
[quote][I feel all this trend is created more by manufacturers to sell more stuff to peolple who are happy. I personally have not seen any groundbreaking technology evolved in 20 years.]

First part 100% with you for second part I beg to disagree

Nothing groundbreaking has evolved but better manufacturing process and engineering materials have had very positive effect on audio equipments. Better DSP algorithms have done wonders to RED Book CD reproduction. No one could dream of a phono cartridge like Ortofon Kontrapunkt-a for $700.

We only have to choose as per our needs instead of going behind the so called latest technology claimed by mfrs.

Regards

Anil
SUB_BOSS
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#14 erstellt: 01. Dez 2006, 14:29

Nothing groundbreaking has evolved but better manufacturing process and engineering materials have had very positive effect on audio equipments. Better DSP algorithms have done wonders to RED Book CD reproduction. No one could dream of a phono cartridge like Ortofon Kontrapunkt-a for $700.



Ground breaking tech is not redbook or geting some old turtables on steriods. Tell me did something like cassette to CD technology emerge or a shift to solid state from milk bottles happen??. Yup I see minor tech improvements and expected turntable tech to be advanced long ago as it's been here since ages.


We only have to choose as per our needs instead of going behind the so called latest technology claimed by mfrs.


You are perfect sir.
Amp_Nut
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#15 erstellt: 01. Dez 2006, 17:00


But Mehul Mepani is good..


This is probably the WORST, least tru statement on this forum that I have read.

Thanks GOD he was sacked.

Wont say ANY more.
Arj
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#16 erstellt: 01. Dez 2006, 17:32

SUB_BOSS schrieb:


Ground breaking tech is not redbook or geting some old turtables on steriods. Tell me did something like cassette to CD technology emerge or a shift to solid state from milk bottles happen??. Yup I see minor tech improvements and expected turntable tech to be advanced long ago as it's been here since ages.


??
not sure i understand your argument.. some areas like computers/telcommunication will have groundbreaking technology and some like audio/video/automobiles/ construction etc etc will only have incrementatel..more driven by progress in research in other areas.

but that doe not mean there is no progress.

you have ceramic/berrellium tweeters, IC based amps, switching amps, better DSP, upsampling/oversampling, SACDs etc, XRCDs,LPCDs, cables, power distribution, higher bandwidth components, isolation mechanisms, composite materials for equipment, polypropene drivers (earlier there only was paper), laser LP players, better doping of paper etc etc..

everything in life is driven by manufacturer/Marketer from the car you drivee to the chips you eat and the fizzy drink you guzzle.
SUB_BOSS
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#17 erstellt: 01. Dez 2006, 17:39
yes I agree there were improvements but I can see as you have put it and nothing to change the dimension except the materials which have changed and I refuse to appluad.

I wrote :


Yup I see minor tech improvements

Hope this answers your post.


It's happening everywhere and in every field. I didn't deny the progress but a simple statement that there is no "Ground breaking technology" since 20 years. I guess I didn't know levels of perception varies between folks.

Let me know if something as dramatic as invention of CD happened?


Tell me did something like cassette to CD technology emerge or a shift to solid state from milk bottles happen??.


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Arj
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#18 erstellt: 01. Dez 2006, 17:43

SUB_BOSS schrieb:

IMHO get your set up to sound best first and enjoy music..Rest is all crap.



I am pretty sure it is "IMHO" as well... there are people who differ and i believe they have every right to differ.

in the end the i guess the words definition is subject to any interpretation..and that does not make anyone right or wrong.

but by just saying music lover would include almost 90%+ of the population in our country..many of them will not be prehaps knowing they are now audiophiles :))

i agree to what you meant to say but not what you are saying. i am a music lover first and an audiophile only next myself and if someone says that he is only an audiophile and not a music lover i may not agree with him but will definitely argue for him on his right to say so
SUB_BOSS
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#19 erstellt: 01. Dez 2006, 17:48

in the end the i guess the words definition is subject to any interpretation..and that does not make anyone right or wrong.


Freedom of speech


I agree to what you meant to say but not what you are saying. i am a music lover first and an audiophile only next myself


I'm sure everyone out here are the same, but some take the tech aspects seriously and kill the enjoyment of music. That defeates the very purpose of being an music lover. Lets discuss tech stuff but don't mix it with music. Use it to attain the levels of perfection to listen to music.

This is the gist of my thread.
SUB_BOSS
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#20 erstellt: 01. Dez 2006, 17:52

i agree to what you meant to say but not what you are saying.


I hope you'll agree now.
Arj
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#21 erstellt: 01. Dez 2006, 18:08

SUB_BOSS schrieb:

I'm sure everyone out here are the same, but some take the tech aspects seriously and kill the enjoyment of music. That defeates the very purpose of being an music lover. Lets discuss tech stuff but don't mix it with music. Use it to attain the levels of perfection to listen to music.

This is the gist of my thread.


sub that is your opinion. i am not with you on that.

to me the tech part (accoustics) is paramount and integeral and thats why i am a music lover and an audiophile. and roles do get interchanged situationally

am sure there are others like me.. hell thats why i got into this hobby.

there is always an option not to participate in a thread...i guess that is a better option to exercise that critisizing something which means a lot to many people.

thats why there is a folder called music etc to discuss just that and that is quite well used.


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Arj
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#22 erstellt: 01. Dez 2006, 18:21

SUB_BOSS schrieb:


a person who is especially interested in high-fidelity sound reproduction


So discussions, auditions etc are a means to acheive it.

I'm quite amused to see as to how this word has been taken seriously by many and coining their own definitions with additions made what one feels right...A total rape of word audiophile.




Not in my mind.


if it had stopped at the word "sound" i would have agreed with you.

but what the statement means is the "method" of re-producing the sound that starts with the source and ends with the ears.


if it had said only "sound "then there might not have been any controversy on audiophile being a simple subset of the music lover.

really not wanting to sound anally picky on this but the last few weeks have been spent in contract negotiations where every word is too critical
Savyasaachi
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#23 erstellt: 01. Dez 2006, 19:54

Arj schrieb:

SUB_BOSS schrieb:

I'm sure everyone out here are the same, but some take the tech aspects seriously and kill the enjoyment of music. That defeates the very purpose of being an music lover. Lets discuss tech stuff but don't mix it with music. Use it to attain the levels of perfection to listen to music.

This is the gist of my thread.


sub that is your opinion. i am not with you on that.

to me the tech part (accoustics) is paramount and integeral and thats why i am a music lover and an audiophile. and roles do get interchanged situationally

am sure there are others like me.. hell thats why i got into this hobby.

there is always an option not to participate in a thread...i guess that is a better option to exercise that critisizing something which means a lot to many people.

thats why there is a folder called music etc to discuss just that and that is quite well used.


This has been a rather interesting thread..the other one too by Sub.
I was cracking my knuckles as i read Sub's contentions but i can perhaps sympathise with his views.

Arj, the fact that 90% of our population are music lovers is something we can be mighty rpud of.
Besides the term audiophile is so overrated these days.

I agree with Sub that the manufacturers have hijacked this term and are making all kinds of gains by positioning their products against one another.
This actually can sometimes make one a techie ratehr tahn a music lover.

I will shamelessly admit that i am one such individula who wouldn't be happy with what he has. Then again that just confirms that i am human.
What's the point in being happy with what you have. WE as a species would have never progressed this far.

Then agian imroving your setup or not is a personal decision which needs to factor in many variables and the most important of all is the music that one listens to.

I used to have that idea of listening to people's systems and checking out the naunces and see wher the system was off, like sound staging and all that.

They are not as important as the music itself though.
here in lies a caveat.
At least in my case. I would rather not listen to a piece of music if it is highly distorted and out of tune and rhythm. Bascially the stuff that just doesn't draw you in, make you lose yourself and drift away(yeah head bangin' too).
So its a combination of both. However, i wouldn't want to term myself an audiophile, rather an audio enthusiast would do.

So in effect i put out all that drivel and came to agreement with Arj, except for substituting the word enthusiast instead of audiophile..\



Haven't slept for the past 36 hours but this thread was pretty invigorating to read...i just had to make a post even if i were just echoing thoughts...sorry about that..


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SUB_BOSS
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#24 erstellt: 04. Dez 2006, 10:02

to me the tech part (accoustics) is paramount and integeral and thats why i am a music lover and an audiophile. and roles do get interchanged situationally

am sure there are others like me.. hell thats why i got into this hobby.

there is always an option not to participate in a thread...i guess that is a better option to exercise that critisizing something which means a lot to many people.

thats why there is a folder called music etc to discuss just that and that is quite well used.


Firstly everyone loves to get technical before we arrive at desirable sound and this process goes on and on with tweaks. Yes it's my hobby too and have learnt a lot. Arj looks like you have taken this a lil personally when you make a mention of participation in threads. Music folder talks of goodmusic, but have we ever discussed how do we enjoy music in a better manner? Have we made an attempt to share out thougts about enjoying music which is focal to all what we discuss. When someone is a mediocre as driver what sense does it make to discuss how good a car's suspension is or how it accelerates.Lets start these discussions first. Well to enjoy music it's a chilled lager or ice floating on whisky for me ;).

Arj wrote :


if it had stopped at the word "sound" i would have agreed with you.

but what the statement means is the "method" of re-producing the sound that starts with the source and ends with the ears.


if it had said only "sound "then there might not have been any controversy on audiophile being a simple subset of the music lover.


I wrote :
Use it to attain the levels of perfection to listen to music.

This is the gist of my thread.


Hope my earler post echoes the same.


really not wanting to sound anally picky on this but the last few weeks have been spent in contract negotiations where every word is too critical


Hmm signing contracts and getting too audiophilic with vocabulary.. hmm I see you earning loads of $$$$ oops euros

Savya Sachi wrote


I will shamelessly admit that i am one such individula who wouldn't be happy with what he has. Then again that just confirms that i am human.
What's the point in being happy with what you have. WE as a species would have never progressed this far.


I too agree sachi I'm not happy with what I have.But we need to keep ourselves on toes to get bigger and better stuff. But Upgrade bug id all crap.. just coined by greedy dealers and pinch your wallets and see to that you are at their mercy always and they make money in turn. I atleast feel a chap caught in upgrade bug is like a tame cow in dealers back yard to allow him to milk you forever until your udders shrink or he finds bigger one. Neway howz life there???


i wouldn't want to term myself an audiophile, rather an audio enthusiast would do.


same here.. the word audiophile makes me red with anger. it's a very new trend and over hyped.
abhi.pani
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#25 erstellt: 04. Dez 2006, 12:55

same here.. the word audiophile makes me red with anger. it's a very new trend and over hyped.


Buddy lets not get too bogged down by the external world and how they are using the term "audiophile". As for you and me, audiophile just remains in its simplest form. Someone who takes audio hifi seriously...thats what we are and we do take hifi seriously...so there is no harm or hype in calling ourseleves audiophiles. That only makes our expressions clear when we write or speak something about hifi. Even you have admitted that you are an audiophile
So dont just backout for the sake of discussions. We are all audiophiles with different levels of involvement into this hobby. Just keep it simple.
deaf
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#26 erstellt: 04. Dez 2006, 19:37
Well here goes,55% of the music bought in the world is done so by women.75% of music being heard at any given point of time is done so by women.Number of women involved in the audio hobby, very few.So what's the catch in the contradictory state of affairs?I'll tell you what,it is the inability of the audio system manufacturers to get women interested in good audio playback, because the male attitude,"if it is difficult to do or understand,it has to be better".Women can understand good sound, they just don't want do deal with the unnecessary complications.They just want a volume control and 3 buttons i.e PLAY, STOP, NEXT TRACK. They rarely play the same track again and again like males do,which means they like to enjoy the entire album, unlike male audiophiles(including me)who only listen to less than 100 complete CDs in the whole year.
Now we need to look at BOSE and B&O differently, don't we.
Hell I think audio companies need to look at their business models differently,and snooty audiophiles need to change their attitude or ....just die.
Deaf.
Arj
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#27 erstellt: 04. Dez 2006, 19:49
agree to the above... in fact i thought the Linn classik was just the step in the right direction.

somehow "if it is lifestyle then it will not be sonically good" is very much part of our collective "audiophile psyche " !!

of course not having the same standards for testing and specification in the industry does not help in any way as well

even after so many years , every noob starts with the same set of questions and the same problems. this is something the industry should have tackled collectively ages ago...but instead chose to thrive on ignorance and hype and "divide and rule" amongst themselves.. something which made most people turn off it or rather choose to ignorant about it.

its remarkable how much clarity of thought a good scotch brings in
abhi.pani
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#28 erstellt: 04. Dez 2006, 20:24

They rarely play the same track again and again like males do,which means they like to enjoy the entire album, unlike male audiophiles(including me)who only listen to less than 100 complete CDs in the whole year.


Completely agree...


because the male attitude,"if it is difficult to do or understand,it has to be better".


Completely disagree...

I suppose we are not in this hobby just because it is a difficult thing to understand. In that case, why arent there many audiophiles around ? Whereas we take interest not only in the music but also keen about each and every audible instruments being played, Women just bother about whether the song is good or not. Just like we bother about the tech specs and engineering of a car while women just bother about the comfort the car gives them. Ultimately we both are evaluating a car but with our own perspective.
Similarly, we are enjoying music but with our own perspective. Infact if it was as difficult to understand then we would have had much fewer number of audiophiles, just like we have very few number of real instrument players simply because playing an instrument is difficult.


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SUB_BOSS
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#29 erstellt: 05. Dez 2006, 12:15

its remarkable how much clarity of thought a good scotch brings in


I agree and dare deny this...


Just like we bother about the tech specs and engineering of a car while women just bother about the comfort the car gives them. Ultimately we both are evaluating a car but with our own perspective.


But in the process hope you aren't forgetting the comfort of the car..

But in the end, its supposed to be all about Comfort..


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abhi.pani
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#30 erstellt: 05. Dez 2006, 12:38

But in the end, its supposed to be all about Comfort..


Not always...
For we men, there are many aspects that decide the comfort of the car. Whereas for women, its all about passenger comfort (leg space, suspension, seating geometry) for we men comfort means a lot more. It can include power, performance, mileage, driveability, brakes, handling, resale value and many more things. All of these together decide how comfortable are we with the car, hence our way of evaluation and analysis while we are choosing a car or living with a car is quite different from the way women do it.
I have not yet brought in the case when a die-hard auto enthusiast evaluates a car....in that case, while the analysis process goes to yet another level, it also goes on and on as long as he owns the car.

In the audio world we are more like the counter part of the auto enthusiast....so its really difficult to disconnect from the machine and only enjoy the drive..


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SUB_BOSS
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#31 erstellt: 05. Dez 2006, 12:43

Not always...
For we men, there are many aspects that decide the comfort of the car. Whereas for women, its all about passenger comfort (leg space, suspension, seating geometry) for we men comfort means a lot more. It can include power, performance, mileage, driveability, brakes, handling, resale value and many more things. All of these together decide how comfortable are we with the car, hence our way of evaluation and analysis while we are choosing a car or living with a car is quite different from the way women do it.
I have not yet brought in the case when a die-hard auto enthusiast evaluates a car....it while process goes to yet another level and it goes on and on as long as he owns the car. In the audio world we are more like the counter part of the auto enthusiast....so its really difficult to disconnect from the machine and only enjoy the drive..


I'm an autophile first and audio enthusiast later.. Atleast you know from my previous stable of bikes..

Neway I agree all these count when comfort is discussed for an autoenthusiast but in the end its supposed to be all about Comfort, I agree we connect to the machine and feel every beat fo the engine and feel the pain too when it hits a pothole. To put it simple enthusiast in any field will delve deep into bowels whereas women appreciate the outer beauty..


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abhi.pani
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#32 erstellt: 05. Dez 2006, 12:49

To put it simple enthusiast in any field will delve deep into bowels whereas women appreciate the outer beauty..


Eggjaktly...
screamgigi
Stammgast
#33 erstellt: 14. Dez 2006, 11:12
The world of audiophilia is complicated and confused enough. A female will only complicate matters!

I am yet to figure out what does “dark as black” and “tight as air” means. Imaging a female audiophile describing the acoustic signature of a Speaker or amp as "bright pink" and "daintily floral".

Lets keep things simple guys


SUB_BOSS-ji

What bikes do you have? I am mostly into classis english bikes.
SUB_BOSS
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#34 erstellt: 15. Dez 2006, 10:56

SUB_BOSS-ji

What bikes do you have? I am mostly into classis english bikes.


Well I started off with Road King, next was a RD 350 for considerable time, CBR 250 gave some fun until later with 600 , Now I'm married and drive a Swift but tucked a helluva noisy Road King in basment for some thunder days..

English Classics always reminds me of goo old Triumph Bonneville, BSA singles and Matchless twin which my dad rode while I was a infant.
bombaywalla
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#35 erstellt: 17. Dez 2006, 07:29

vpriyan schrieb:
I have gone through many audiophile forums including ecoustics, audio review and I noticed not even a single girl is a audiophile.....


I guess Audiophile is ""definitely male"" :D


Vpriyan,
you need to get around a little more!
there are several female audiophiles. Over on the forums I visit there are 2 names (among maybe half a dozen others) that I can recall immediately - "elizabeth" & "twopippis".
The emagazine TNT-Audio once had a female reviewer called "Anna Logg" (nice pen-name, eh? ). You can find some of the reviews she wrote.
I agree with those members who wrote that female audiophiles do not dig being on forums like their male counterparts. They are either enjoying the music or are doing things women do.
The women audiophiles rarely post adjectives of gear like the men do but whenever they do, I have found, they use pretty much the same adjectives as we use. I guess that we have laid the ground-work for them, it's convenient for them to just use that lingo.
Also, as most of you already know, their hearing is superior to male hearing. So, those of you who have a wife or girl-friend, sit her down when you feel that your system is sounding great &/or when you have made a mod/upgrade that you think is for the better. She'll give you her opinion (which I've found is more candid than mine! ). FWIW.
Arj
Inventar
#36 erstellt: 17. Dez 2006, 15:16

bombaywalla schrieb:
So, those of you who have a wife or girl-friend, sit her down when you feel that your system is sounding great &/or when you have made a mod/upgrade that you think is for the better. She'll give you her opinion (which I've found is more candid than mine! ). FWIW.


hoo boy are your right.. i remember when i was experimenting with entry level ICs and asked her for her opinion she just looked at me shook her head, rolled her eyes and went back to work.;

but when i change my amp and was "audiophilially measuring" the difference, she just came out from the study and mentioned the changes in jagajits singhs voice and how we could here his very subtle breathing out while singing.(once she mentioned it i knew it was right and could give that allknowing smile and condescending nod which hopefully was not seen thru)

after that i dont ask an opinion until i keep my ego in the deepfreeze..
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