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Amp_Nut
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#1 erstellt: 22. Mai 2009, 09:10
The Munich Hi Fi Show commenced yesterday.

Would appreciate info on websites links that are covering the show.

Many Thanks.
goolimangala
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#2 erstellt: 22. Mai 2009, 11:27

Amp_Nut schrieb:
The Munich Hi Fi Show commenced yesterday.

Would appreciate info on websites links that are covering the show.

Many Thanks.


Here are just a few first shots on a German forum: http://www.open-end-music.de/vb3/showthread.php?t=1578

Jochen
square_wave
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#3 erstellt: 22. Mai 2009, 12:00
Good to see the Rethm sadhana with Emiile..

http://www.open-end-...id=2464&d=1242945374
goolimangala
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#4 erstellt: 22. Mai 2009, 14:49
some more pics: http://www.klang-projekt.de/high_end_2009.htm
Intersting to see something in b&w nowadays
and even more interesting to see Carlos Candeias working for BMC now?


[Beitrag von goolimangala am 22. Mai 2009, 14:50 bearbeitet]
goolimangala
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#5 erstellt: 22. Mai 2009, 15:51
I heard already that with BMC (Balanced Music Circuit) somthing hot is coming up in Munich. But never new that Carlos Candeias is involved. Now knowing that I tell you it must be red hot!
you guys look at the photos on this webpage http://www.open-end-music.de/vb3/showthread.php?t=1546&page=2

Interesting also to see that a newcomer comes up with a phonostage, DAC and a CDP which is also available as a drive only at a reduced price. Great
square_wave
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#6 erstellt: 23. Mai 2009, 05:56
Goolimangala,
The BMC looks ineresting. How are the prices like for the BMC drive only..
Arj
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#7 erstellt: 23. Mai 2009, 06:10

goolimangala schrieb:
some more pics: http://www.klang-projekt.de/high_end_2009.htm
Intersting to see something in b&w nowadays

very true and they look Beautiful !
would have preferred just a little Sepia tone in the photos. but these are very good photographs and true audiophile eyecandy.
Amp_Nut
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#8 erstellt: 23. Mai 2009, 06:55
goolimangala said :


I heard already that with BMC (Balanced Music Circuit) somthing hot is coming up in Munich. But never new that Carlos Candeias is involved. Now knowing that I tell you it must be red hot!


Pardon my ignorance...

Can you please provide a brief on Carlos Candeias ?

Thanks !
square_wave
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#9 erstellt: 23. Mai 2009, 09:08

Amp_Nut schrieb:
goolimangala said :


I heard already that with BMC (Balanced Music Circuit) somthing hot is coming up in Munich. But never new that Carlos Candeias is involved. Now knowing that I tell you it must be red hot!


Pardon my ignorance...

Can you please provide a brief on Carlos Candeias ?

Thanks !


A quick search popped these up:
http://www.candeias.com/english/Carlos.htm
goolimangala
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#10 erstellt: 23. Mai 2009, 11:47

square_wave schrieb:
Goolimangala,
The BMC looks ineresting. How are the prices like for the BMC drive only..


Hi Square Wave,

From what I read on that German forum the prices range from approx. EUR 1,700.- to 2,700.- but I don't know the individual prices. When you look at the cabinet and the components used these prices seem to be quite low

Jochen
goolimangala
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#11 erstellt: 23. Mai 2009, 12:00

Amp_Nut schrieb:
goolimangala said :


I heard already that with BMC (Balanced Music Circuit) somthing hot is coming up in Munich. But never new that Carlos Candeias is involved. Now knowing that I tell you it must be red hot!


Pardon my ignorance...

Can you please provide a brief on Carlos Candeias ?

Thanks !


Carlos Candeis graduated as an electronics engineer from Technical University Berlin. Together with his wife Susanne, an electronics engineer too, he started the HighEnd Audio company Candeias. Especially outstanding from their product line was the DAC "Modelo", which, at that time outperformed most of the big names DACs at a fraction of their cost. Marriage broke up...company closed. Carlos went to Japan and joined CEC. Some years ago Susanne started again with her own company Aqvox http://www.aqvox.de/profil.html with again an unusual product line: a microfone amp, Dac and phonoamp which was designed by Carlos. Especially the phono amp has become a very good seller because of high performance at a reasonable price. Now Carlos seems to be back in Germany and has joined BMC.

Jochen
Shahrukh
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#12 erstellt: 23. Mai 2009, 14:39
Amp_nut, here's something I chanced upon. http://www.enjoythemusic.com/high_end_2009/ Oven fresh stuff!
Amp_Nut
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#13 erstellt: 23. Mai 2009, 19:43
Thanks goolimangala for the brief.

Shahrukh, Great pointer... Thanks !
goolimangala
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#14 erstellt: 26. Mai 2009, 09:33
Amp_Nut
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#15 erstellt: 26. Mai 2009, 10:51
Sincere Thanks to goolimangala, Shahrukh & square_wave for your pointers.

The show has now concluded, and seems it was a good, big show, despite the recession.

2 forum members ( Bhagwan69 & a commercial member ) visited the show. Have got several pics from Bhagwan69, too.

The 833 based amp ( last pic on http://www.6moons.com/industryfeatures/munich09/1.html ) reminded me of a 833 tube that I have been eyeing at a shop window in Lamington Road. I have promised myself to make and uase a 833 based amplifier, someday ....

It was interesting to see that CD players were not the most commonly featured sources. I think Records ruled the day !

Also surprised that SOULUTION's (ultra High end) CD player featured only in the Mark levinson stall, and other SOULUTION products not at all.

I hear these SUPERB products all over the Taiwan show last year. Truly neutral, WITHOUT loosing the SOUL of the music....
square_wave
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#16 erstellt: 26. Mai 2009, 11:21

goolimangala schrieb:

Amp_Nut schrieb:
goolimangala said :


I heard already that with BMC (Balanced Music Circuit) somthing hot is coming up in Munich. But never new that Carlos Candeias is involved. Now knowing that I tell you it must be red hot!


Pardon my ignorance...

Can you please provide a brief on Carlos Candeias ?

Thanks !


Carlos Candeis graduated as an electronics engineer from Technical University Berlin. Together with his wife Susanne, an electronics engineer too, he started the HighEnd Audio company Candeias. Especially outstanding from their product line was the DAC "Modelo", which, at that time outperformed most of the big names DACs at a fraction of their cost. Marriage broke up...company closed. Carlos went to Japan and joined CEC. Some years ago Susanne started again with her own company Aqvox http://www.aqvox.de/profil.html with again an unusual product line: a microfone amp, Dac and phonoamp which was designed by Carlos. Especially the phono amp has become a very good seller because of high performance at a reasonable price. Now Carlos seems to be back in Germany and has joined BMC.

Jochen


Hmmm... The USB 2 D/A MKII at 1018 Euro (67,574 inr) seems to be a good price. I wonder how it sounds.
http://www.aqvox.de/products.html
Shahrukh
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#17 erstellt: 26. Mai 2009, 11:40

Amp_Nut schrieb:

It was interesting to see that CD players were not the most commonly featured sources. I think Records ruled the day !



Vinyl rulez!! Now if only we had more choice of TTs here in India...
Amp_Nut
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#18 erstellt: 26. Mai 2009, 14:51
Shahrukh said:


Now if only we had more choice of TTs here in India...


A TT is a 1 time purchase, and can be handled..

The problem is getting Records in India.... It weighs a Ton, so also difficult to bring in as personal hand baggage
Amp_Nut
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#19 erstellt: 26. Mai 2009, 14:56
Here is some HOT STUFF from another Forum:


I read that the Jean Hiraga folks left their valve stuff on overnight and the room burned down:
http://community.wha...aunches/default.aspx
One has to wonder if their warranty includes fire insurance.



Yes, Guys... There was a FIRE ! with the Firebrigade called !

Guys, the same link:
http://community.wha...aunches/default.aspx

Gets my Vote as the Best Report for the Munich HiFi Show 2009.

Seems to be the ONLY one, with some explanation of the pics posted....


[Beitrag von Amp_Nut am 26. Mai 2009, 15:04 bearbeitet]
Shahrukh
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#20 erstellt: 26. Mai 2009, 17:56

Amp_Nut schrieb:
Shahrukh said:


Now if only we had more choice of TTs here in India...


A TT is a 1 time purchase, and can be handled..

The problem is getting Records in India.... It weighs a Ton, so also difficult to bring in as personal hand baggage


A_N, I have an entry level TT and have been buying my records from sites like acousticsounds.com and good ol amazon. Amazon doesn't have much of a selection and takes an age to reach - but it eventually does and it's good stuff. That too with minimal shipping of about $5 or so.

Burned my fingers shipping from acousticsounds with Fedex. They were pretty prompt and all but charged a bomb shipping. That said, they have a superb collection of music on vinyl!
bombaywalla
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#21 erstellt: 26. Mai 2009, 19:15
Thanks to Goolimangala, Amp_Nut, Sq_wave & SHahrukh for the links.
I personally found the 6moons report very nice.
Thanks a lot to those members attending the show & sharing some pix with us.

6moons' opening line says that the show this year was depressing. I seemed to get the same vibe from one of the attending members. Bad economic times makes for a low attendance for this luxury item/hobby.
goolimangala
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#22 erstellt: 27. Mai 2009, 14:42
here is another link (part one only). http://www.hifistate...09-foto-impressionen
I wonder what brand this interesting looking double drive TT at the end of the first page is. Anybody any idea?

Jochen


[Beitrag von goolimangala am 27. Mai 2009, 14:44 bearbeitet]
goolimangala
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#23 erstellt: 27. Mai 2009, 17:52
For those who have the patience to look at 342 photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/noeffred/page1/

Unfortunately most of them without comment or subtitle
goolimangala
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#24 erstellt: 27. Mai 2009, 18:08
[quote="square_wave
Hmmm... The USB 2 D/A MKII at 1018 Euro (67,574 inr) seems to be a good price. I wonder how it sounds.
[url]http://www.aqvox.de/products.html[/url][/quote]

Square, whatever is designed by Carlos Candeias does not "sound" at all, you can be sure of. It's absolutely neutral. "Sound" is allowed to come only from the source and speakers, because it's not possible to build a neutral sounding cartridge and speaker. My ideal as well.

Jochen
goolimangala
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#25 erstellt: 28. Mai 2009, 01:22

goolimangala schrieb:
here is another link (part one only). http://www.hifistate...09-foto-impressionen
I wonder what brand this interesting looking double drive TT at the end of the first page is. Anybody any idea?

Jochen


Got it: http://www.euroaudioteam.com/eat_forte_turntable.php
Absolutely cool design and for once at TT with some inovations. Stands out among all that boring stuff which has not moved forward for decades
goolimangala
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#26 erstellt: 28. Mai 2009, 01:38
[quote="goolimangala"][quote="square_wave
Hmmm... The USB 2 D/A MKII at 1018 Euro (67,574 inr) seems to be a good price. I wonder how it sounds.
[url]http://www.aqvox.de/products.html[/url][/quote]

Square, whatever is designed by Carlos Candeias does not "sound" at all, you can be sure of. It's absolutely neutral. "Sound" is allowed to come only from the source and speakers, because it's not possible to build a neutral sounding cartridge and speaker. My ideal as well.

Jochen[/quote]

Square, if you are interested in absolutely neutral sounding hifi gear which is also very reasonably priced, and if you like the pro-design too then look at these little marvels from Funk which are featured in the 6Moons coverage also http://www.6moons.com/industryfeatures/munich09/16.html

And these are not made in China like aqvox and BMC. They are handmade in Germany. I wonder how that is possible with these prices Funk demands Or are those prices normal and all other HighEnd gear in this world is hopelessly overpriced
square_wave
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#27 erstellt: 28. Mai 2009, 09:05
[quote="goolimangala"][quote="square_wave
Hmmm... The USB 2 D/A MKII at 1018 Euro (67,574 inr) seems to be a good price. I wonder how it sounds.
[url]http://www.aqvox.de/products.html[/url][/quote]

Square, whatever is designed by Carlos Candeias does not "sound" at all, you can be sure of. It's absolutely neutral. "Sound" is allowed to come only from the source and speakers, because it's not possible to build a neutral sounding cartridge and speaker. My ideal as well.

Jochen[/quote]

Hi Jochen. Thanks for the links.Interesting stuff
square_wave
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#28 erstellt: 28. Mai 2009, 09:09
[quote="goolimangala"][quote="goolimangala"][quote="square_wave
Hmmm... The USB 2 D/A MKII at 1018 Euro (67,574 inr) seems to be a good price. I wonder how it sounds.
[url]http://www.aqvox.de/products.html[/url][/quote]

Square, whatever is designed by Carlos Candeias does not "sound" at all, you can be sure of. It's absolutely neutral. "Sound" is allowed to come only from the source and speakers, because it's not possible to build a neutral sounding cartridge and speaker. My ideal as well.

Jochen[/quote]

Square, if you are interested in absolutely neutral sounding hifi gear which is also very reasonably priced, and if you like the pro-design too then look at these little marvels from Funk which are featured in the 6Moons coverage also http://www.6moons.com/industryfeatures/munich09/16.html

And these are not made in China like aqvox and BMC. They are handmade in Germany. I wonder how that is possible with these prices Funk demands Or are those prices normal and all other HighEnd gear in this world is hopelessly overpriced [/quote]

Do they have a DAC ? The site is all in German
Did a google translate and cound not find any.


[Beitrag von square_wave am 28. Mai 2009, 09:19 bearbeitet]
goolimangala
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#29 erstellt: 28. Mai 2009, 10:23
[quote="square_wave"][quote="goolimangala"][quote="goolimangala"][quote="square_wave
Hmmm... The USB 2 D/A MKII at 1018 Euro (67,574 inr) seems to be a good price. I wonder how it sounds.
[url]http://www.aqvox.de/products.html[/url][/quote]

Square, whatever is designed by Carlos Candeias does not "sound" at all, you can be sure of. It's absolutely neutral. "Sound" is allowed to come only from the source and speakers, because it's not possible to build a neutral sounding cartridge and speaker. My ideal as well.

Jochen[/quote]

Square, if you are interested in absolutely neutral sounding hifi gear which is also very reasonably priced, and if you like the pro-design too then look at these little marvels from Funk which are featured in the 6Moons coverage also http://www.6moons.com/industryfeatures/munich09/16.html

And these are not made in China like aqvox and BMC. They are handmade in Germany. I wonder how that is possible with these prices Funk demands Or are those prices normal and all other HighEnd gear in this world is hopelessly overpriced [/quote]

Do they have a DAC ? The site is all in German
Did a google translate and cound not find any.[/quote]

yes the CAS-2.V3 and CAS-2.V3/SE are studio dacs for up to 8 sources. But I heard, since they are becoming more and more popular with highend audio freaks, they are working on a DAC which is more meant for the home user. Just now they have come out with a new pre. End of the year a phono amp which was displayed already in Munich. Perhaps after that the DAC.
goolimangala
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#30 erstellt: 06. Jun 2009, 03:53
Tons and tons of good pictures....and still not yet complete: http://www.my-hiend.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=1374
This guy must have really covered the whole show, incl. hifi deluxe with his camera. Only I find it a bit difficult to read the text
bhagwan69
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#31 erstellt: 23. Nov 2009, 09:24
the most comprehensive show report in my opinion;

http://www.my-hiend.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=1374

do take a look and let me know.

goolimangala
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#32 erstellt: 23. Nov 2009, 10:31

bhagwan69 schrieb:
the most comprehensive show report in my opinion;

http://www.my-hiend.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=1374

do take a look and let me know.



Hi Bhagwan,

I posted this link already a while ago see my previous reply #30.
bhagwan69
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#33 erstellt: 23. Nov 2009, 11:42

Hi Bhagwan,
I posted this link already a while ago see my previous reply #30.


Sir,
That is right;
I apologise.
I missed it.

Regards,

p.s. Did you get a China Show Report anywhere ?
Would like to take a look.
square_wave
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#34 erstellt: 23. Nov 2009, 11:51
Edited out. reason : wrong thread.


[Beitrag von square_wave am 23. Nov 2009, 14:06 bearbeitet]
abhi.pani
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#35 erstellt: 23. Nov 2009, 12:58

square_wave schrieb:
My favorite topic is back !
I had this gut feeling long back that Linn would stop its cd players but continue the LP playback devices. They jumped onto the “disc-less” bandwagon big time couple of years back.
I guess the “LP Player” has become more relevant now ! The LP may actually outlive the redbook cd.
Cloud computing and streaming the playback with streaming HD downloads may be embraced better by the music companies than HD downloads. The problem with legal HD download is that it will spawn number of illegal HD download sites. This could be one of the reasons why music companies will stay out of it.


May be you would want to move it to the right thread .
Arj
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#36 erstellt: 23. Nov 2009, 13:32
this gave me a shock. I was in Germany till last wee and I thought i missed out on a show !
goolimangala
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#37 erstellt: 23. Nov 2009, 14:13

Arj schrieb:
this gave me a shock. I was in Germany till last wee and I thought i missed out on a show !


It looks like that Arj. I don't know when you have gone to Germany but this months there were two show which become more and more important. First the show of the Analogue Audio Association and a week later a new show taking place in Nürnberg. The next show will now take place in Hamburg in February
goolimangala
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#38 erstellt: 23. Nov 2009, 14:18

bhagwan69 schrieb:


p.s. Did you get a China Show Report anywhere ?
Would like to take a look.


No I haven't seen anything. Only somewhere something about the Vietnam show. Imagine that an international HighEnd show taking place in Vietnam! And what's going on in India? Nothing!
Arj
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#39 erstellt: 23. Nov 2009, 14:45

goolimangala schrieb:



It looks like that Arj. I don't know when you have gone to Germany but this months there were two show which become more and more important.


Hey Jochen..when was this ?
goolimangala
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#40 erstellt: 23. Nov 2009, 15:13

Arj schrieb:

goolimangala schrieb:



It looks like that Arj. I don't know when you have gone to Germany but this months there were two show which become more and more important.


Hey Jochen..when was this ?


Analogforum took place on 31.10./01.11. and the show in Nürnberg on 7.11./8.11.
bhagwan69
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#41 erstellt: 24. Nov 2009, 11:09

No I haven't seen anything. Only somewhere something about the Vietnam show. Imagine that an international HighEnd show taking place in Vietnam! And what's going on in India? Nothing!


Sir, people in Asia - China & Vietnam buy audio and listen to music on high fadelity systems.
In India people listen to music on Mobile Phone - Ipods - 2 in 1's etc. There is no maket for hiend - so there is no show !! Simple....

If we 'introspect' and see for ourselves, how many persons do we know on a 1st name basis that have or own audio set ups that cost 5 lacs ++
I am not so sure if we will cross 10 persons each....

State of affairs - really sad...
bhagwan69
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#42 erstellt: 24. Nov 2009, 11:24


I am going to ask a very silly question to all, if I may be permitted;

What number of Audiophile do you think exist in India ?

a] Less than 1000

b] More than 1000 but less than 2000

c] More than 2000

WHat I mean here is persons that not only like music - but have a hifi system installed & understand what they have installed & are able to use it up to 60 + % of its performance capibility....

Personally, I do not know even 50 audiophile in India. But then again, I am no dealer - so I guess all D & D's should be in a better position to comment on this.... Prithvi / Sridhar / Siva / Jocen / etc.
Amp_Nut
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#43 erstellt: 24. Nov 2009, 12:30
Good Question, Sir !

I once posed a similar question on the Stereophile Forum, asking How many copies of STEREOPHILE are printed monthly..

They yanked the query off their forum !

To revert to your question, I would have guessed 2K to 3K, but then, you know so many, and yet your estimate is 50, so I best
Amp_Nut
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#44 erstellt: 24. Nov 2009, 12:35


If we 'introspect' and see for ourselves, how many persons do we know on a 1st name basis that have or own audio set ups that cost 5 lacs ++
I am not so sure if we will cross 10 persons each....


Got me thinking / counting, and I remembered this friend who bought :

1. Martin Logan Speakers + Rowland Model 8 amplification, driven by a DVD player + an Integra HT Pre Amp / Processor, about a year ago.

He has 2 pet cats.

They killed the Electrostat panels on BOTH Speakers and peed in the Rowland, killing it.

The guy now uses an ipod directly feeding a ROTEL power Amp and wants to add sat speakers on his wall to complement the working woofers in his MLs.....
Shahrukh
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#45 erstellt: 29. Nov 2009, 22:26

Amp_Nut schrieb:
...He has 2 pet cats.

They killed the Electrostat panels on BOTH Speakers and peed in the Rowland, killing it.

The guy now uses an ipod directly feeding a ROTEL power Amp and wants to add sat speakers on his wall to complement the working woofers in his MLs.....


Moral of the story: Hifi and pussy don't mix.
Amp_Nut
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#46 erstellt: 30. Nov 2009, 05:24


Manek
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#47 erstellt: 30. Nov 2009, 07:02
Sir !

That is precisely the reason I have my stuff in another city !

But thank god no one has peed on my amp that I have in mumbai yet !


Manek
Amp_Nut
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#48 erstellt: 30. Nov 2009, 08:33
It was after this incident, that I fully appreciated the comments often by Audiogon sellers that the equipment comes from "a pet free house !"

P.S: The Rowland Model 8, even pre-owned, on Audiogon costs US $ 5.5K +. Must love his Cats a LOT, not to the cat !
Manek
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#49 erstellt: 30. Nov 2009, 09:47
Honestly, he should have seen it coming....cats are curious, make many things their scratching post and pee on stuff they don't like or are jealous of :-)

Wait till they find a way to jump on the satellites and tell him what they think of them.

He should use a down firing sub, speakers with metal grills(infinity comes to mind), sealed amp with no vent holes or slits...

Regards

Manek
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