Hong Kong Hi Fi Show - 2007

Hello AN [Amp Nut] !

So you put the link up;
Good.

I would have loved to have come, done this and then gone to Taiwan for the enxt show. They are held each year, back to back.
The Taiwan Show is more 'serious'.
If I had not wasted my money on Munich, I sure would have come.
But, will pass this one by.
Maybe next year.

If you do go, have a nice time & take lots of pictures.
Will PM you for my house visit.

Hi Bhagwan69,

Can you please also provide a pointer / URL for the Taiwan show ?

Not sure if I can get away from work that long, but seems to make eminent sense to cover Both shows if possible.

Cheers !

Do we get to listen to the systems on these shows??

abhi.pani schrieb:

Do we get to listen to the systems on these shows?? :.

Please do explain your question, I did not follow what you ment by 'listen to the system' ?
Thanks,

Amp_Nut schrieb:

Can you please also provide a pointer / URL for the Taiwan show ? Not sure if I can get away from work that long, but seems to make eminent sense to cover Both shows if possible.

Sir, I will have to look it up, shall do it tom.
However, if you take the flight on the Taiwanese carrier for Mumbai to Taiwan, it goes via HK & you can do both places.
It is a 1 week turn around at max.
This is a very very serious show to attend.
Lots of esoteric gear is on demo.
I would recommend this very very strongly.
Even a lot of Chinese manufacturers come here.

Google it, may be you can find it.
I too shall try.

bhagwan69 schrieb:

abhi.pani schrieb: Do we get to listen to the systems on these shows?? :. Please do explain your question, I did not follow what you ment by 'listen to the system' ? Thanks,

I mean, do we get to audition these setups on demo or is it plain "watch and go" types of show ?

At any show in the world the demo is active. It is not a static display.
If it was static, then what is the use of a show. The purpose is to go and listen and compare. Since the rooms are same, the conditions for all are equal, hence the parameter to compare gets to be on a level playing field.

Besides, one also gets to meet the designers & manufacturers. Talk to them etc.

Basically any audio show [except the ones in India] are great fun and a wonderful learning experiance.

I suggest and recommend it to all forum members to take the time out and visit 1 each year at least. You will learn to listen and decide what is good and what is not for your self.

I have learnt a lot over the past 4 - 5 years only by attending different shows in different parts of the world.

Also try to attend 'concerts' as many as you can, that way you will get a very very good 'reference point' of what the system should sound like !! Try and club your trip so as to make the most of both worlds.

I just did 7 concerts in 3 countries along with the Munich Show. It is so very important !!

bhagwan69 schrieb:

I just did 7 concerts in 3 countries along with the Munich Show. It is so very important !!

Ya, I understand

bhagwan69 schrieb:

At any show in the world the demo is active. It is not a static display. If it was static, then what is the use of a show. The purpose is to go and listen and compare.

Someone should tell this to AVMax

zhopudey schrieb:

bhagwan69 schrieb: Someone should tell this to AVMax :P

Sir, the problem is with Times AV not with AV Max.
It is Times AV Revolution that has 'Silent Shows'
Hence, I am not going to ND for the SHow this time around on the 7th of September, 2007.

The AV Max Show details are :-

Delhi - Pragati Maidan, 2nd - 4th Oct'07
Chennai - Raja Mutthaiah Hall, 8th - 10th Dec'07
Ahmedabad - Pride Hotel, 17th - 19th Jan'08
Mumbai - Nehru Centre, 19th - 23rd Mar'08

Hi Bhagwan,

The AV Max show at the Nehru Centre will NOT be a silent show ?

Amp_Nut schrieb:

The AV Max show at the Nehru Centre will NOT be a silent show ?

Hello AN !

I am not sure, but the locations are such that the Show will be silent in all possibility.
Unfortunate.

http://6moons.com/industryfeatures/hk06/show.html

Interesting !!

AV Max shows will have demo rooms.
These are some sort of portable demo rooms that will be assembled at the expos.
They are pretty small though, 10' x 14'.

Regards
SNV

AV Max shows will have demo rooms. These are some sort of portable demo rooms that will be assembled at the expos. They are pretty small though, 10' x 14'.

I wonder what they have in mind....

This matter is of specific interest to me.

The Times show in Mumbai had set up rooms that had the top open, though the enterance was a drop down heavy cloth.

The Open top was also essential for the air con.... but the sound got out from there, and ruined talkj for evenyone else in that hall.

If all sides and the top is closed, I wonder how they will get ventilation / aircon.

Any pointers... much appreaciated.

Thanks

Hello AN !

All this seems to be a full fledge waste of time.
If we wnt to listen to anything we need to go to HK on 10.08 or to Taiwan [Taipei] on 24.08.2007 [Hotel Grand].
Some of the best Shows I have attended. Very Focused & Serious. Gear + Set Up + Public.

These Indian Shows seem to be great marketing excercises at best.

Hi Bhagwan,

I am still in 2 minds whether to take the plunge or not for the Hi Show... and maybe the Taipe show too.

There is little on this from other members...

Switch-it-on... you planning to go ?

Anyone from outside Mumbai ?

I dont have all the details yet, but these are some sort of acoustical panels.
The room will be covered from all sides and the top.
I have no clue about airconditioning/ventilation.


As Bhagwan rightly mentioned, they are nothing but modes of making money and ripping off the distributors.


I recently received an email from AvMax and a courier from Times expo mentioning details about the audio/video exhibitions they have planned.

Very honestly i feel so ridiculed that the entire audio industry has chosen to sleep and simply accept whatever comes their way.

Why is it that we are always taken for a ride and we choose to do nothing about it. We simply accept it.

Around the world audio/video shows are moving nowhere but northwards.

Year on year there are only getting bigger and better. There are truly larger than life to the extent that it takes days to tour the entire expo.

On the other hand, here in India the quality of av expos have gone down the drain. It is an absolute waste.

It started in 5 star hotels with demo rooms, moved on to hotels without demo rooms, progressed to non airconditioned areas such stadiums, maidens, halls, etc.

What have we come to. Someone please tell these organisers that we the distributors do not retail tvs, washing machines, airconditions and refrigerators.

For god sake this is HIGH END AUDIO & VIDEO. I see no respect. It has become a business with no respect for the gear.

Agreed at the end of the day it is all about the money, but why not make money by organising quality shows in renowned hotels with demo rooms.

I propose the entire industry should come together and appoint an agency/company to come up with an AV show keeping in mind our requirements.

Regards
SNV

Dear SNV,

Your passion for audio and your anger both come thru ....

I have messaged you separately on this....

SNV schrieb:

I dont have all the details yet, but these are some sort of acoustical panels. The room will be covered from all sides and the top. I have no clue about airconditioning/ventilation. As Bhagwan rightly mentioned, they are nothing but modes of making money and ripping off the distributors. I recently received an email from AvMax and a courier from Times expo mentioning details about the audio/video exhibitions they have planned. Very honestly i feel so ridiculed that the entire audio industry has chosen to sleep and simply accept whatever comes their way. Why is it that we are always taken for a ride and we choose to do nothing about it. We simply accept it. Around the world audio/video shows are moving nowhere but northwards. Year on year there are only getting bigger and better. There are truly larger than life to the extent that it takes days to tour the entire expo. On the other hand, here in India the quality of av expos have gone down the drain. It is an absolute waste. It started in 5 star hotels with demo rooms, moved on to hotels without demo rooms, progressed to non airconditioned areas such stadiums, maidens, halls, etc. What have we come to. Someone please tell these organisers that we the distributors do not retail tvs, washing machines, airconditions and refrigerators. For god sake this is HIGH END AUDIO & VIDEO. I see no respect. It has become a business with no respect for the gear. Agreed at the end of the day it is all about the money, but why not make money by organising quality shows in renowned hotels with demo rooms. I propose the entire industry should come together and appoint an agency/company to come up with an AV show keeping in mind our requirements. Regards SNV

I feel they should do this in quality hotels with professionally done listening rooms and then charge a steep entry fee so that you can you can filter out casual visitors. Now the situation is so bad that even serious audiophiles do not attend. It is basically serving no purpose.

SNV schrieb:

I dont have all the details yet, but these are some sort of acoustical panels. The room will be covered from all sides and the top. I have no clue about airconditioning/ventilation. As Bhagwan rightly mentioned, they are nothing but modes of making money and ripping off the distributors. I recently received an email from AvMax and a courier from Times expo mentioning details about the audio/video exhibitions they have planned. Very honestly i feel so ridiculed that the entire audio industry has chosen to sleep and simply accept whatever comes their way. Why is it that we are always taken for a ride and we choose to do nothing about it. We simply accept it. Around the world audio/video shows are moving nowhere but northwards. Year on year there are only getting bigger and better. There are truly larger than life to the extent that it takes days to tour the entire expo. On the other hand, here in India the quality of av expos have gone down the drain. It is an absolute waste. It started in 5 star hotels with demo rooms, moved on to hotels without demo rooms, progressed to non airconditioned areas such stadiums, maidens, halls, etc. What have we come to. Someone please tell these organisers that we the distributors do not retail tvs, washing machines, airconditions and refrigerators. For god sake this is HIGH END AUDIO & VIDEO. I see no respect. It has become a business with no respect for the gear. Agreed at the end of the day it is all about the money, but why not make money by organising quality shows in renowned hotels with demo rooms. I propose the entire industry should come together and appoint an agency/company to come up with an AV show keeping in mind our requirements. Regards SNV

hi jay,

i completely agree with you that audio shows are a complete waste here in india.

the flip side however is, how many dealers bother to educate customers or even have decent rooms for demo? i personally have been to only one in my entire auditioning journey and the guy knew what he was doing and explained stuff to me. (designer audio). sure the argument is 'these are typical living room conditions'. but if you want to show the consumer the full potential, surely the dealer needs to be able to do that right? then the consumer would be upgraded to budding audiophile status and realise there's more to life than loud booming sound.

what's the point in having a brilliant annual, once a year show and then going back to sub-standard auditions?

i think mine is a valid consumer view point that many here would share. while dealers bemoan the state of shows, consumers bemoan the state of auditions! not one person i have visited bothered to explain the finer points of placement, listening, nothing! how does the community (dealers) expect to grow the market if you dont talk to, educate, have a discussion with people when they visit a showroom?

no offence to you, just thought it was worth commenting on, and i hope you take this view point in the spirit it was intended to - the problems facing indian audiophiles, both dealers and end consumers.




regards

Completely agree with Stevie. If you can show the “budding audiophile” the magic of a well setup system, it will definitely translate into business for you. Show him the potential and most will get converted. He will embark on a journey in the right direction which will ensure happiness to him as well as continued business for the dealer. I think there are pretty decent setup for multi-channel with some dealers but well setup two channel is next to nil.

square_wave schrieb:

SNV schrieb: I dont have all the details yet, but these are some sort of acoustical panels. The room will be covered from all sides and the top. I have no clue about airconditioning/ventilation. As Bhagwan rightly mentioned, they are nothing but modes of making money and ripping off the distributors. I recently received an email from AvMax and a courier from Times expo mentioning details about the audio/video exhibitions they have planned. Very honestly i feel so ridiculed that the entire audio industry has chosen to sleep and simply accept whatever comes their way. Why is it that we are always taken for a ride and we choose to do nothing about it. We simply accept it. Around the world audio/video shows are moving nowhere but northwards. Year on year there are only getting bigger and better. There are truly larger than life to the extent that it takes days to tour the entire expo. On the other hand, here in India the quality of av expos have gone down the drain. It is an absolute waste. It started in 5 star hotels with demo rooms, moved on to hotels without demo rooms, progressed to non airconditioned areas such stadiums, maidens, halls, etc. What have we come to. Someone please tell these organisers that we the distributors do not retail tvs, washing machines, airconditions and refrigerators. For god sake this is HIGH END AUDIO & VIDEO. I see no respect. It has become a business with no respect for the gear. Agreed at the end of the day it is all about the money, but why not make money by organising quality shows in renowned hotels with demo rooms. I propose the entire industry should come together and appoint an agency/company to come up with an AV show keeping in mind our requirements. Regards SNV I feel they should do this in quality hotels with professionally done listening rooms and then charge a steep entry fee so that you can you can filter out casual visitors. Now the situation is so bad that even serious audiophiles do not attend. It is basically serving no purpose.

Dear square_wave,

So very true, they serve no purpose. My point being the same.
They should organise quality shows in 5 star hotels with dedicated demo rooms.
They should also filter the crowd by way of a small entry fee, just the way it is done abroad.

The show should be grand and an annual affair, this way the organisers will ensure that it gets bigger and better every year if done once a year.

Regards
SNV

stevieboy schrieb:

SNV schrieb: I dont have all the details yet, but these are some sort of acoustical panels. The room will be covered from all sides and the top. I have no clue about airconditioning/ventilation. As Bhagwan rightly mentioned, they are nothing but modes of making money and ripping off the distributors. I recently received an email from AvMax and a courier from Times expo mentioning details about the audio/video exhibitions they have planned. Very honestly i feel so ridiculed that the entire audio industry has chosen to sleep and simply accept whatever comes their way. Why is it that we are always taken for a ride and we choose to do nothing about it. We simply accept it. Around the world audio/video shows are moving nowhere but northwards. Year on year there are only getting bigger and better. There are truly larger than life to the extent that it takes days to tour the entire expo. On the other hand, here in India the quality of av expos have gone down the drain. It is an absolute waste. It started in 5 star hotels with demo rooms, moved on to hotels without demo rooms, progressed to non airconditioned areas such stadiums, maidens, halls, etc. What have we come to. Someone please tell these organisers that we the distributors do not retail tvs, washing machines, airconditions and refrigerators. For god sake this is HIGH END AUDIO & VIDEO. I see no respect. It has become a business with no respect for the gear. Agreed at the end of the day it is all about the money, but why not make money by organising quality shows in renowned hotels with demo rooms. I propose the entire industry should come together and appoint an agency/company to come up with an AV show keeping in mind our requirements. Regards SNV hi jay, i completely agree with you that audio shows are a complete waste here in india. the flip side however is, how many dealers bother to educate customers or even have decent rooms for demo? i personally have been to only one in my entire auditioning journey and the guy knew what he was doing and explained stuff to me. (designer audio). sure the argument is 'these are typical living room conditions'. but if you want to show the consumer the full potential, surely the dealer needs to be able to do that right? then the consumer would be upgraded to budding audiophile status and realise there's more to life than loud booming sound. what's the point in having a brilliant annual, once a year show and then going back to sub-standard auditions? i think mine is a valid consumer view point that many here would share. while dealers bemoan the state of shows, consumers bemoan the state of auditions! not one person i have visited bothered to explain the finer points of placement, listening, nothing! how does the community (dealers) expect to grow the market if you dont talk to, educate, have a discussion with people when they visit a showroom? no offence to you, just thought it was worth commenting on, and i hope you take this view point in the spirit it was intended to - the problems facing indian audiophiles, both dealers and end consumers. regards

Dear Steve,

It is ofcourse important for the dealer to educate the client on the products he is marketing. How else he is going to make any sales.
Every dealer is ofcourse different and will be different in terms of knowledge of hifi and infrastructure.
Every dealer may or may not be able a have a swanky showroom with professionally acoustic treated demo rooms. This i believe is personal and i believe to each his own.
Some dealers/distributors have all the resources while others have limited.

There is nothing wrong for a customer to expect a good showroom with acoustically treated demo rooms.
This is the only way to know the true potential of the set up one is listening to.

High end audio in India is yet evolve. Today there are quite a few decent demo rooms around the country, as compared to the scenario 5 yrs ago. There are more players with a lot of more brands.
We simply need to give this some more time and every dealer needs to realise the potential of this market. The dealers should provide demos in well made demo rooms if they are marketing high end audio gear.
The 2 channel market when compared to multi channel is less than 10%. Hence, there is less inclination.
But as i said its only a matter of time and you will see the difference in the coming years.

Regards
SNV

Amp_Nut schrieb:

Hi Bhagwan, I am still in 2 minds whether to take the plunge or not for the Hi Show... and maybe the Taipe show too. There is little on this from other members... Switch-it-on... you planning to go ? Anyone from outside Mumbai ?

The dates are messed up.

There is a 12 day gap between the 2 shows. So both cannot be gone to.

But you should go. It is a great show. realy eye opener [ear i.e.]
Take the plunge. Visit Shenzhen too when you are at it. Meet the Chinese Low Fi Makers etc.

square_wave schrieb:

Completely agree with Stevie. If you can show the “budding audiophile” the magic of a well setup system, it will definitely translate into business for you. Show him the potential and most will get converted. He will embark on a journey in the right direction which will ensure happiness to him as well as continued business for the dealer. I think there are pretty decent setup for multi-channel with some dealers but well setup two channel is next to nil.

Sure, the guys will come - listen - haggle & quote prices on Audiogon - Dubai - Singapore etc. & never buy from here.

I personally am a very very strong believer of supporting the Indian Distributor, [not the Dealer] but many of them do not even have a Demo Room [SS] so what can you expect ?

bhagwan69 said:

The dates are messed up. There is a 12 day gap between the 2 shows. So both cannot be gone to. But you should go. It is a great show. realy eye opener [ear i.e.] Take the plunge. Visit Shenzhen too when you are at it. Meet the Chinese Low Fi Makers etc.

Thanks for the feedback, Bhagwan89. I could not find details of the Taiwan show dates.

The question boils down to - Spend Rs 50K for the HK show or spend Rs 50K on my Hi Fi at home !

I have been SEVERAL times to HK, including this May. So visiting HK holds no charm. Its a Hi Fi show centric visit only. Still in 2 minds...

Amp_Nut schrieb:

The question boils down to - Spend Rs 50K for the HK show or spend Rs 50K on my Hi Fi at home !

I wish I had such problems to worry about

put the 50K into a good Mutual Fund and buy a BeETTER component the next year

SNV schrieb:

But as i said its only a matter of time and you will see the difference in the coming years. Regards SNV

i hope so! even a reasonable set up ought to do the trick. nothing fancy. i guess you yourself are moving towards that with an upgraded showroom if i remember right? it would be good to have more people appreciate the finer points of audio. more people for abhi to sell his stuff too

stevieboy schrieb:

more people for abhi to sell his stuff too :D

Now what was that...

http://www.taiwanaud...79121624652c5aa07666

This is the show in Taiwan.

Dear Amp Nut,

Yes, a visit to the Taiwan show is a huge temptation, I agree. However, I have just been to Munich for the show there, thus its not possible this year. I do heartily recomend the show though. Lovely gear to listen to, very well setup at the show, exceptionally loving people and very welcoming in every room. If we network well... we all can go next year together. It is fun beyond words... to listen, compare and discuss.

to continue on what switch it on said,
I agress with what ever he has said.

The 50 K is not worth the mention.
The amount you will learn and experiance, is much much more tha any equipment upgrade.

I suggest, think you underwent a by-pass and spent 4 lacs on it. Put it in audio instead. If you had to spend on a by-pass you would have - not even winked, so go to the show, listen to audio gear & buy more so you can listen 'more' & have an opinion for yourself. You can [AN] easily afford it, you just need to be pushed that little bit extra.......

bhagwan69 schrieb:

You can [AN] easily afford it, you just need to be pushed that little bit extra....... 8)

Ah...the same old Bhagwan style..

Hi Switch-it-on & Bhagwan69.

Thanks for your feedback. MUCH appreciated.

To summarise, it seems to me :

1. The HK Show is fun, but probabaly not worth a visit on its own.

2. Ther Taiwan show is GREAT. ( Switch It On said that there are a LOT of female audiophiles in Taiwan, at the show, so that is another insentive )

3. Best would be to combine both shows... and both you guys will probably join me next year. ( Hopefully other from the forum too will join ?


The Taiwan show this year is at end July. I cant leave office at the End of ANY month
So that is out.

Looks like next year would be a Great idea... specially if we could plan in advance.

Amp_Nut schrieb:

The Taiwan show this year is at end July. I cant leave office at the End of ANY month So that is out. Looks like next year would be a Great idea... specially if we could plan in advance.

Sir, the dates are end August I think. Can you just re-check. I am not sure.

But this year is out. Next year for sure, would love to.
Truly a great show to attend.
I want to attend a show in Japan too. Sometime.

Hello All !

The Show starts tom morning !!

Did any forum member go ?

The report & pics should be up soon. I will try and put the links up as and when they get available.

http://www.avbuzz.com/event/album368

Show Report !

Please do take a look;

Nice snaps, Bhagwan.
You have'nt posted your comments?

Kamal schrieb:

Nice snaps, Bhagwan. You have'nt posted your comments?

Dear Kamal,

How can I comment, I was not there, did not attend. Hence have not listened to it. What can I say about sound that I have not experienced ??? Would not be correct !!

Better Snaps !!

The improved SC-1 is there to see.

http://www.hififorum...D=54678&whichpage=16

Comments ?

hey these are fantastic pics. Eminently Droolable

..thanks Bhagwan

i did not know German Physiks still existed.

heard one of their models a couple of years back while demoing an Audiomeca Mephisto. That ws no way as wierd as this one

what eyecandy..so many nude shots of electronics too

found the SC1..looks ..COOL

Arj schrieb:

what eyecandy..so many nude shots of electronics too found the SC1..looks ..COOL

This is the old version. It was released in CES 2007. The one in HK is new. Please do take a close look.
Old one had a down fireing port. This one has a front fireing port.
The older one was taller. This one is shorter & deeper.
The gap between the woofer & midrange has reduced very much.



This speaker is to be in India early next month. May get a chance to audition it. Fingers are crossed. If I do, I shall post pictures and my comments.

bhagwan69 schrieb:

This is the old version. It was released in CES 2007. The one in HK is new. Please do take a close look. Old one had a down fireing port. This one has a front fireing port. The older one was taller. This one is shorter & deeper. The gap between the woofer & midrange has reduced very much.

So are they calling this the SC2?? Or the SC1.2???

No Shahrukh !

The speaker will still be called SC-1.
It has officially not been released.
They are still working on it.
This too is not the 'final' finish.
That will happen on or before the 20th of September, 2007. That is when the speaker will officially be released in the Netherlands. All audio press have been invited for that.
Will keep the details posted as and when I get it. Cheers !!

SC-1 = Pheaton

The SC-1 has been re-named.

It will have a name of 'Phaeton' [same as Volkswagon's top of the line car].

Its final version will be ready and released to the international audio press in September, 2007. This will happen in The Netherlands.
Details to follow...........