Exposition Review (Wilson Audio, Krell, Martin Logan...) with Photos

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Webon
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#1 erstellt: 25. Okt 2003, 21:20
Hi there!

I´ve just came from an exposition celebrated here in Bilbao (Spain) near San Sebastian where I live.

Saturday morning... beatiful day. I received an invitation (I´ve seen that I was one of the few people invited) to an Exposition of new stuff from Martin Logan, Dreamvision, Krell, Sonus Faber, Wilson Audio and Optoma. So I´ve been there with my father.

Tomorrow I´ll post here links to the photos (I´ve got a lot, not very good quality the most of them sorry, I´m not a good photographer).

I have photos too of a comparative (yeah, I know photos won´t help too much on an audio comparative, but at least I have the photos ) between a pair of B&W 603 S3 and a pair of JBL floorstanders using two different amplifiers, cables and cds.

Now I´ll only comment the most important things. Tomorrow, with the photos, I´ll comment them and give more details and prices.

Well they were five different systems mounted on the exposition. Some of them are simply audio and the others are audio/video:

System 1:

Videoprojector: DREAMVISION "DREAMWEAVER 2"
Projection screen: MELER CORSAIR C244W60M
DVD/CD: PRIMARE DVD 30
Previous AV processor: KRELL SHOWCASE
Poweramp: KRELL SHOWCASE
Front Speakers: SONUS FABER CREMONA
Center Speaker: SONUS FABER CREMONA Center
Rear Speakers: SONUS FABER CREMONA Auditor
Active Subwoofer: SONUS FABER CREMONA SUB.
Cables: Van Den Hul

Well... it was really good on image. At least a thousand times better than the plasma screens I´ve seen later. Referring to the sound it was only good... the sub was making an important role because in my opinion this audio system will be nothing without the sub. They played some scenes of Matrix Reloaded as you´ll see on the photos.

System 2:

Plasma Screen: DREAMVISION REVOLUTION 42"
DVD: TAG MCLAREN DVD 32 FLR
Previous AV processor: TAG MCLAREN AV 30R
Multichannel Poweramp: TAG MCLAREN 100X5R
Front Speakers: MARTIN LOGAN CLARITY
Central Channel: MARTIN LOGAN CINEMA
Rear Spekaers: MARTIN LOGAN CLARITY
Active Subwoofer: MARTIN LOGAN SUBWOOFER "DEPTH"
Cables: TRANSPARENT CABLE, VAN DEN HUL

It was a really nice system I think. Those Clarity sounded really good at high frequencies, but I didn´t like the tone really really much. They played a DVD of Laurin Hill singing a live song, so I couldn´t hear the sub too much. Anyway those Martin Logan Clarity were really impressive at high frequencies, at not any bad at lower frecuencies. They´re are really impressive on design too, as you´ll see tomorrow on the photos. The higher frequencies are produced by a eletrostatic screen, working at 12,000v, and helped by a tweeter on the back side of the speaker.

System 3:

DVD: PRIMARE V 10
Integrated AV Amplifier: PRIMARE SPA 20
Front Speakers: TANNOY SENSYS DC 1
Central Channel: TANOY SENSYS DC C
Rear Speakers: TANNOY SENSYS DC 2
Active Subwoofer: TANNOY MX SUB.
Plasma Screen (50"): FUJITSU P50-XHA10ES

Well... Those front speakers are really good! They have what they call supertweeters, and their cut frequency goes up to 77.000Hz (and why I need 77Khz?? don´t know, but their sound at high frequencies was really really good). The plasma looked... well, like a plasma (BAD). Very good envolving sound on the THX presentation of the Monsters Inc. DVD.

System 4:

DVD: KRELL SACD Standard
Stereo Integrated Amplifier: KRELL KAV 400xl
Stereo Integrated Amplifier: T+A "V10" (Valve)
Speakers: SONUS FABER CREMONA Auditor
Cables: Van Den Hul

Wooow!! Super Audio CD men! I love it! And much more sounding through a valve amplifier (and not a simple valve amplifier, a really good and really really beatiful valve amplifier as you´ll see tomorrow). Those Sonus Faber were little, but really powerful and they make a very clear sound (specially with a SACD).

System 5:

CD: Audio Research CD 3 mk II
Stereo Preamp: Audio Research Reference 2
Stereo Poweramp: Audio Research VT-200
Spekaers: WILSON AUDIO "SOPHIA"
Cables: TRANSPARENT CABLE

Well... I said "Wooow!!" on System 4?? Ok then... WOOOOOOOOOOW MEN!!!!!!! (that´s it) I can promise that a tear ran through my face when listening to this audio system. This poweramp was huge!! It was perfect (for me, of course) at high, middle and low frequencies. Specially at high. Really clear and powerful sound. Perfect situation of the instruments and perfect definition of the size of each instrument. Simply perfect for me. And as they said, the "Sophia" is the cheaper speaker of this collection of speakers from Wilson Audio.

WOW!

I´ll post more (I you want of course) and photos tomorrow.

About the comparative and the testing of the B&W 603 (I have photos too)... First of all I tested the 603 using a plain amplifier (not ecualizated at all), a very normal amp (not very good I mean) and I didn´t like the sound. I tested it with my favourite type of music (r&b) with a cd of Eternal and one of Toni Braxton.

After that we take the 603 to another place, connected in Stereo to a 5.1 amp (I don´t remember the manufacturer of the amps) and it began to sound better. There was a pair of JBL XTi80 so I decided to make a comparative of American and English sound (what a silly comparative ).

In my opinion those JBL were too strong and not sweet in bass and too ugly at middle and high frequencies, it wasn´t clear at all.

B&W´s 603 S3 were much more clear in treble (really clear) and its bass was sweeter but softer too, so I think I´ll need to equalize a little the bass, ´cause I´m gonna buy them . In conclusion, a very very good floorstanders at this price (about $720). The JBL cost about $660, and I´ll go again to hear a pair of mission that are moving on this range of prices too.

Much more tomorrow if you want
Webon
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#2 erstellt: 25. Okt 2003, 21:23
By the way... On the exposition all the cables were special and of the higher quality, including the electric plugs and cables as you´ll se on the photos, they were really impressive

onion
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#3 erstellt: 26. Okt 2003, 09:23
Hello webon!
At first: Thanks for your review

I fear that system no5 will be far above my credit limit?

I'm looking forward to the images!

603 vs. JBL: That's an interesting comparison. So maybe the JBL speakers are better for bass-prefering David? I thought the 603 were bookshelf speakers, now you tell they are florstanders? Or is there a difference between 603 and 603 S3 ?
Webon
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#4 erstellt: 26. Okt 2003, 10:33
There´s no difference, I call them only 603. These are floorstanding speakers like 602.5 and 604 on the 600 series.

Oh men the photos are of really poor quality I´m "photoshoping" them cause some of them are really dark, and this afternoon/night I´ll put them and the prices of all the stuff I have listed above.
Webon
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#5 erstellt: 26. Okt 2003, 22:07
Well... here you have the promised photos. I remember you that I said the photos have a really poor quality (the image is moved, sorry) and they were too dark, so I´ve photoshoped them.

System 5. The backside of the Audio Research VT-200 poweramp.

Upper view of the same poweramp. It´s about $17420.


Still system 5. Top: Audio Research CD 3 MK II about $7870. Down: Audio Research REFERENCE 2 preamp, about $15835.

System 4. Rightside: Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor $2795. Top: I´ll talk about it later (I love it). Middle: Krell KAV 400xi Integrated Stereo Amplifier $3384. Down: Krell SACD (Super Audio CD) Standard $7879.

System 5. Wilson Audio SOPHIA speakers $16700. Transparent cables. The poweramp I talked about a few lines above.

System 3. Tannoy Sensys DC 2 Speakers $666. Tannoy MX Subs $385. Middle: Tannoy Sensys DC C $264. Plasma: Fujitsu P50-XHA10ES $9960. DVD: PRIMARE V10. Integrated Amplifier: PRIMARE SPA 20 $2375.

System 2. Plasma: DREAMVISION REVOLUTION 42 $5980. DVD: TAG MCLAREN DVD 32 FLR $5710. Previous AV Processor: TAG MCLAREN AV 30R $3580. Multichannel poweramp: TAG MCLAREN 100X5R $4892. Loudspeakers: MARTIN LOGAN CLARITY $3600. Middle: MARTIN LOGAN CINEMA $2700. Sub: MARTIN LOGAN SUBWOOFER DEPTH.

System 4´s valve amplifier. T+A V10 $6036.

Martin Logan Clarity and Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor.

System 1. DVD: PRIMARE DVD 30 $5932. AV Previous Processor: KRELL SHOWCASE $6671. Multichannel Poweramp: KRELL SHOWCASE $6731. On the left side there is a Marantz DVD.

System 1. Projection Screen: MELLER CORSAIR C244W60M. Loudspeakers: Sonus Faber Cremona $6731. Middle: Sonus Faber Cremona Center $3075.

System 1. Back speakers: Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor $2795.

System 1´s connectors and cables (Van Den Hul).

System 1´s subwoofer. Sonus Faber Cremona SUB. $2404.

System 1´s videoprojector. Dreamvision Dreamweaver 2 $5775.

B&W 603 vs JBL XTi 80.B&W in front and JBL below.

603´s backside.

B&W 603 vs JBL XTi 80.

The system that moved the speakers to test them.

Amplifier and CD/DVD zoomed.

The Room of my Dreams 1.

The Room of my Dreams 2. Some B&W speakers. B&W CDM7 on the sides.

The Room of my Dreams 3. Some B&W subs.

The Room of my Dreams 4. On the sides a model of B&W CDM and on the middle side a pair of Mission, don´t remember the model. At their right side a B&W 602.5.

[The Room of my Dreams 5. B&W CDM7 Zoomed

I hope you enjoy it!! Sorry ´bout the quality, next time I´ll do better, I swear it .

Comments please. If you like this I´ll do again with more expositions.


[Beitrag von Webon am 27. Okt 2003, 18:21 bearbeitet]
sledgehammer
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#6 erstellt: 27. Okt 2003, 07:48
thanks for your review and for the pictures. at first one comment: dont you think the pictures are a bit too big?
i've heard all wilson audio speakers so i'm not surprised that the small sophias are that good. i prefer krell not audio research but this doesnt mean audio research ain't good. the next days mabe i'll post some more comments now its just time to read and thank you.
Webon
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#7 erstellt: 27. Okt 2003, 11:01
I would thank your personal opinions about american vs english sound. Concretely JBL vs B&W if you´ve heard the two of them.

The comments are not very technical, but maybe I´ll write a bit more some day about my opinions more technically.
kimber-frank
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#8 erstellt: 27. Okt 2003, 18:11
Thanks for your report!

Set No.4 looks affordable. If I hadn't recently bought a new amp, I could get weak on this
sledgehammer
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#9 erstellt: 28. Okt 2003, 08:37
set number 5 looks like a very good high end set! having talked to some guys using audio research, this set ain't ultra high end yet but it's very good high end. compared to wilson grand slamm you would hear this difference but this system - sophia really plays great! - is great, too! so if anybody of you wants to start high end hearing, this is one way! set number 4 uses a good amp, but i dont like the sonus speakers that much. but that doesnt mean this set is bullshit its a very good one too, but number 5 is miles above!
onion
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#10 erstellt: 28. Okt 2003, 09:16
Hello Webon, now I got it, 603 is a floorstander and 600, 601 are bookshelf speakers, right?

System No 5 is far above my credit limit, so I'll stay with my low end hifi until I can afford a better system

But I'm still searching a new amp, see "What to buy"
Webon
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#11 erstellt: 28. Okt 2003, 13:22
Yep. On the 600 series the 600, 601 and 602 models are bookshelfs and 602.5, 603 and 604 are floorstanders.
onion
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#12 erstellt: 29. Okt 2003, 07:53
Hello!
Now I got it!
Manek
Inventar
#13 erstellt: 11. Nov 2003, 14:58
JBL v/s B&W ?????

B&W anytime !!!!
Webon
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#14 erstellt: 11. Nov 2003, 16:01
Yep, that´s waht I said

No doubt.
sledgehammer
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#15 erstellt: 11. Nov 2003, 20:22
there are some good jbl too. look at the ti series.
Webon
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#16 erstellt: 11. Nov 2003, 21:06
I haven´t heard any Ti series, but I do xti80 and xti 100 (xti 100 is the best floorstander on the category) and they´re really bad. The bass is TOO powerful and the middles and highs are eveything but natural, like I said
Manek
Inventar
#17 erstellt: 12. Nov 2003, 05:57
webon is right, JBL'a are for hard rock and heavy metal stuff...if you wanna play music B&W is your speaker....
trust me...JBL doesn't even come close....on second thoughts hard rock and heavy metal may sound better on the B&W.

JBL's are also notorious for ear fatigue....their drivers and crossovers are just not correctly tuned...too harsh !!
sledgehammer
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#18 erstellt: 12. Nov 2003, 18:28
ti-250 jubilee for example is very good.
and they arent just too much bass. they are just right.
Manek
Inventar
#19 erstellt: 13. Nov 2003, 07:51
probably are....I take your word for it :-)
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