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How about a Pic on the forum ?

Hi Prithvi,
We are waiting for the pics... I think atleast you can provide some Specs of the speaker....

cheers,
Sandeep

Hey Prithvi,Siva,
Good to see you taking on the 'Big Boys'-Krell LAT,Sonus Faber.Impressive.

By the way Prithvi, for the benefit of all the folks not in B'lore, you should post pics and more importantly, specs.

Infact, it would be great if you folks in B'lore - Sub,Obi-wan,Abhi auitioned it and gave us your opinion.


Cheers
K

waiting for the pics and/specs.......hmmm......

cheers,
Sandeep

hi prithvi... what man .....why are u sooo late... or you dont want to post any info of the speakers over the forum...?

anyway thanks alot...

best regards,
Sandeep

siva atleast you can post some specs and or pics...

cheers,
Sandeep

Prithvi thanks for the pics and specs..

sub boss...I dont saee any...or was this a sarcastic post ?

manek.

sub boss...I dont saee any...or was this a sarcastic post ?

Manek me and sarcasm...uuhmmm aahh...ohhh.. I'm like a holy cow
No way was this a sarcastic post, just a gentle reminder to our dear friend Prithvi..hello sir please give us some details....

methinks your avatar just might do the trick and 'gently persuade' him into posting the pics

Sorry guys,
Was out of town on work. Just back and sadly the speakers have been sold. Will ask siva to post a few pics of the 2nd pair he has with him.
Rgds

Prithvi

Prithvi schrieb:

Sorry guys, sadly the speakers have been sold.

You really look sad about it...

pity the guy who bought them!
i've listened to 3 ring radiator tweeter speakers (Polk Audio, Gamut L5 & Xavian) & not one sounded correct. The ring radiator tweeter is sometimes harsh, sometimes mellow like it can't make up its mind. Avoidable!

Bombaywalla...and maybe he bought them without specs too....

You too think the ring radiator does not sound correct ? funny a friend of mine said the same thing.

I too have heard the Polk's, Gamut, Jamo(D series with the curved baffle) and the tweeter did sound vibrant, alive and open. The only time I felt it did not feel right was when a drummer rides the cymbals with a resonant ring on them(the Ed thigpen style to create a continuous HISSing sound) like in OP's "night train". Didnt sound right but otherwise it was fine on both the polk and the jamo.

Manek.

bombaywalla schrieb:

pity the guy who bought them! i've listened to 3 ring radiator tweeter speakers (Polk Audio, Gamut L5 & Xavian) & not one sounded correct. The ring radiator tweeter is sometimes harsh, sometimes mellow like it can't make up its mind. Avoidable! :.

Dear Bombaywalla
The tweeter on the Polk is different from the one on the one used on the Xavian and the Gamut.The HF is differnt on all these three speakers as you mentioned.With all due respect to you,I would like to relate a story to the forum members.
Some time ago, a friend of mine who owns one of these speakers, was at a concert with me.We were sitting midway in the hall, his comment was,that on violins the HF was much mellower than what was being reproduced at his home.I smiled to myself and said nothing.After the interval I took him to the second row in the hall,near what is the microphone position commonly used in classical recordings.He was completely shocked at the violin presentation now,it was bold and vibrant and nowhere near being mellow.After the concert over dinner, his comment was,no tweeter,be it ribbon, electrostat, silk dome, metal dome or fancy diamond and Be drivers, came as close in accuracy as the Scan Super Revelator,because it accurately played back what was recorded, without smoothening out anything to make the sound more listenable.
This is an important story, as it tells us what is superb sounding is not always accurate.Accuracy is a different game,and in this game the Scan Super Revelator has got no competition, if used correctly.Example the Accuton diamond probably is the most musical HF I have experienced, the way it is used on the Avalon Eidolon Diamond that is,but it is not accurate.However at the time of listening to this particular speaker,accuracy is the last thing on your mind.
I hope this long post brings some interesting reponses from the forum members.
Regards Deaf.

deaf...you are right about one thing...different seats at different levels in the auditorium sure give different representations.

The scan revelator does have an awesome reputation though.

Correct me if I am wrong but Vifa also makes a dual concentric diaphram tweeter which looks similar to revelator tweeter and the Polks(lsi series) and the Jamo's use the vifa driver, right ? So the scans and the vifa's would sound a bit different.

So is the tweeter used on the reference speaker of siva a scan speak or a vifa ?

I guess without the specs we wonty know.

Manek.

Will post the photo's and other details shortly guys.
All drivers used in Adamo are Scanspeak.

Appreciate the intrest in the product.

Those in Bangalore are welcome to come and listen to the product at our place. Please call us before dropping in..


Cheers
Siva.

Manek schrieb:

deaf...you are right about one thing...different seats at different levels in the auditorium sure give different representations. The scan revelator does have an awesome reputation though. Correct me if I am wrong but Vifa also makes a dual concentric diaphram tweeter which looks similar to revelator tweeter and the Polks(lsi series) and the Jamo's use the vifa driver, right ? So the scans and the vifa's would sound a bit different. So is the tweeter used on the reference speaker of siva a scan speak or a vifa ? I guess without the specs we wonty know. Manek.

Dear Manek
It is no longer Vifa but a Peerless model as Vifa does not exist as a driver manufacturer.
You are correct about the Scan and Peerless being different.
The Scan uses a neo magnet,different phase plug,mechanical and electrical construction in materials.
The Peerless sounds mellow in most cases and is easier to use.The Scan is ruthless but if controlled properly can end up being super accurate.Part of the reason for the Scan being so difficult to use,is its unusally high sensitivity of 94db.
One needs to use the best resistors,practically hand matched to make this HF unit to perform without problems,because any crappy parts will immediately show through this magnifying glass of a tweeter.I hope that answers your query.
Regards Deaf.

yes deaf,
I know about peerless taking over the vifa line and now sold under the peerless name.

Manek.

Manek,

There are no takeovers. Tymphany is now consolidating thier product lines. Peerless, Logic, Vifa and Scanspeak are all brands that belonged to DST. Now after the merger with Tymphany, the VIFA brand is being used for different line of products...

Vifa drivers are now Peerless v-Line. Just to clarify.

Deaf,

Bang on. Just to add to what you have said - the entire gamut...all crossover components (capacitors, inductors and resistors) and internal wiring makes a big difference. For example, in case of Adamo the caps are Mundorf and inductors are Goertz CFL; For another model we use Jensen caps and inductors. Some of these inductors/caps cost as much as Euro.140/- each (which is much more than what some companies spend to build a complte home-theatre set in China) !!. The resistors are huge metal-oxide resistors made in US. Also important is the cabinet build quality.

Else..you have a honda engine in a Maruthi 800 chassis

Many DIY folks scoff at these hi-end/expensive components...but just to repeat what deaf has mentioned - you really need to try these components in the correct setup to "hear" the benefits.

Cheers
Siva.

Siva....thanks for the clarification. I read the same on their website. The correct word is "consolidation".

manek.

A query siva....

Some of the drivers listed on your site and earlier on the vifa site dont show up on the new v-line list on Tymphany site....eg PJ17 and D25 to name a couple. Are these lines of drivers off retail circuit ?

Manek.

Manek,

Not to worry. They will continue to be available, as long as there is demand for them.

Cheers
Siva.

deaf schrieb:

Dear Bombaywalla The tweeter on the Polk is different from the one on the one used on the Xavian and the Gamut.The HF is differnt on all these three speakers as you mentioned.With all due respect to you,I would like to relate a story to the forum members. Some time ago, a friend of mine who owns one of these speakers, was at a concert with me.We were sitting midway in the hall, his comment was,that on violins the HF was much mellower than what was being reproduced at his home.I smiled to myself and said nothing.After the interval I took him to the second row in the hall,near what is the microphone position commonly used in classical recordings.He was completely shocked at the violin presentation now,it was bold and vibrant and nowhere near being mellow.After the concert over dinner, his comment was,no tweeter,be it ribbon, electrostat, silk dome, metal dome or fancy diamond and Be drivers, came as close in accuracy as the Scan Super Revelator,because it accurately played back what was recorded, without smoothening out anything to make the sound more listenable. This is an important story, as it tells us what is superb sounding is not always accurate.Accuracy is a different game,and in this game the Scan Super Revelator has got no competition, if used correctly.Example the Accuton diamond probably is the most musical HF I have experienced, the way it is used on the Avalon Eidolon Diamond that is,but it is not accurate.However at the time of listening to this particular speaker,accuracy is the last thing on your mind. I hope this long post brings some interesting reponses from the forum members. Regards Deaf.

Dear Deaf,
Thanks for sharing the story w/ us. I do agree w/ you that "what is superb sounding is not always accurate". This is a very tough thing to ascertain & takes years of going to concerts, knowledge of the sound of instruments.
I was not adequately impressed by the those 3 implementations of the ring radiators - the total sound was not cut from one cloth & I did hear a separate tweeter-separate bass sound. Maybe this particular speaker will be different?

Best Regards,

Dear Bombaywalla,
The concept of being cut from one cloth is got little to do with just a tweeter or a woofer type,it also has to do with crossover expertise.You too have heard the speaker I am talking about, and can tell you that we learnt how to get it correct after a very long experimental period,particularly in alinging the front to back vertical plane.Luckily we had a spate of concerts during this time and were able to voice the system accordingly.Also breaking in period was longer than usual.
Today the Gamut L5 sounds absolutely fantastic,with extremely accurate playback capabilities,storming dynamics, creating a vast sonic picture with the three drivers completely locked as one.Hope you het to hear it the next time around,
Regards Deaf.

deaf schrieb:

Dear Bombaywalla, The concept of being cut from one cloth is got little to do with just a tweeter or a woofer type,it also has to do with crossover expertise.

Dear Deaf,
I would not use the phrase "little to do"!
Both of us know that the quality of the drivers + the architecture of the x-over + the quality of the x-over parts plays a significant role in the overall sound reproduction.

deaf schrieb:

You too have heard the speaker I am talking about, and can tell you that we learnt how to get it correct after a very long experimental period,particularly in alinging the front to back vertical plane.Luckily we had a spate of concerts during this time and were able to voice the system accordingly.Also breaking in period was longer than usual. Today the Gamut L5 sounds absolutely fantastic,with extremely accurate playback capabilities,storming dynamics, creating a vast sonic picture with the three drivers completely locked as one.Hope you het to hear it the next time around, Regards Deaf.

I'm happy to read this. Looks like you guys really got the hang of this speaker.
Maybe I'll change my mind the next time I hear it! Anyway, I look forward to listening to it when I'm in town next. Thanks for the update.

Best Regards,

Dear Bombaywalla,
I say little because recently I embarked on a DIY speaker,that uses an entry level woofer,tweeter and x-over parts,and the learning curve on this experiment taught me that application was far more important than the ingridients itself,to a greater degree than I had earlier presumed.
I learnt that enclosure colouration was the greatest culprit, followed by improper woofer/tweeter alingment regardless of x-over type.My perception of priorities in playback have hugely changed recently,and are evolving daily.This discussuion requires a different thread and we shall do so.
Regards Deaf.