Dynaudio BM6....just arrived

abhi.pani schrieb:

Hi Buddies, I have just received a pair of Brand new Dynaudio BM6 speakers. http://www.dynaudioacoustics.com/Default.asp?Id=275

I, included, think that these BM6 will cream the Audience 52 after they break-in.

abhi.pani schrieb:

I am planning to replace my Audience52 with the BM6 speakers.

good man! you are headed in the correct direction, IMHO!

abhi.pani schrieb:

hence I would tend to think that the BM6 will come to its own may be after a 50-100 hours burn-in . Buddies, do let me know if the burn-in required is still higher. Currently I have left the speakers playing at low volume. I would keep posted regarding the progress. Please let me know if there is a more efficient way of breaking them in.

good thinking!
one suggestion (which I think is better) is to wire 1 speaker out-of-phase. Then, bring the 2 speakers face-to-face about 1 inch apart or even closer WITHOUT letting the drivers touch each other. Then play music thru them at a fairly loud level. Since 1 speaker is out of phase, the drivers should move in opposite directions (of course you are playing stereo music so the L & R are not exactly the same) & much of the volume should be nulled out yet the speakers are getting a good work-out. If you have a mono CD, even better.
Re. the volume, I wrote "failrly loud" but USE YOUR OWN JUDGEMENT for loudness. Don't blow any driver in the process (& then blame me! )

abhi.pani schrieb:

BTW one area that the Audience52 beats the BM6 big time is the looks. The A52 look just so much better, so elegant in comparison though the BM6 also looks very decent, but still the Rose wood veneer of the A52 along with the black speaker grills, give it a terrific look..I would miss that, but if its compensated by the increment in sound by the BM6 then I would be a very happy man. :)

I think that there was some discussion of these BM6 on this forum as well several months ago. I remember that & also remember that Bhagwan69 also contributed. Anyway, clear mention of the blah looks of the BM6 was made. These are made for the pro studio & not really for home use. So, the MAF (mother acceptance factor!) is very low!
The Audience series speakers "wasted" money on looks while the BM series speakers did not & took the money & put it into cabinet, x-over & driver design. The result - industrial looks but great sound.

abhi.pani schrieb:

Hi Buddies, I have just received a pair of Brand new Dynaudio BM6 speakers. http://www.dynaudioacoustics.com/Default.asp?Id=275 I am planning to replace my Audience52 with the BM6 speakers.

Congrats Abhi
I checked out the link. These are nearfield studio monitors - the kind of stuff I dreamed about.
What amp will you drive them with? Their specs indicate that they thrive on power
You can break them in on lounge music - very nice to have in the background.

Aha! Nearfield monitors Just what the doctor ordered for me How much do they cost? And any idea about the active version - BM6a?

Good time to come over for another sonnet lumiere? square can correct spellings!

Thanks buddies....
I am quite excited about the new BM6. It would be a revelation to me of how a decent sounding speaker can reform into a great sounding speaker.
Bombaywalla,
I have already started applying your trick of breaking in the speakers. You are right that a lot of sound gets nullified, though we still hear some. BTW, how do one create a mono track ? Can it be done with the help of some software ??

Hi Neutral,
I will still be using my Plinius Integrated to drive them. I still dont have any problem driving them. I normally never have to go beyond 10 O clock position, even when driving them loud. Thanks for suggestion regarding lounge music...I do have a few of them, will try them out.

Zhopudey,
Its around 55k in India (same as an Audience52), there is a smaller version called BM5 which is around 40k but still beats the Audience52

Jeeves bhai,
You are most welcome...for a Sonnet Lumiere Da Champagne (Square can correct the grammar as well I suppose ).
BTW, my visit to your place is pending big time...please Invite..

Hi Abhi, thats really really cool and congrats on your new upgrade.

From what I have heard ot the BM series, they may not match up to audience series in looks but more than make up for them in sound.. would be looking forward to your more detailed review on the difference soon !

When are you adding a sub onto the system ?

Arj Wrote:

From what I have heard ot the BM series, they may not match up to audience series in looks but more than make up for them in sound.. would be looking forward to your more detailed review on the difference soon !

Hi Arj,
Thanks for the compliment. What you have heard about the BM series is the same as I have heard but I am still curious to know if someone has really heard the BM6 in full action ? People in AA have owned both BM and Audience series speakers and almost everyone concur that the BM series is better anyday, but I would be very pleased if someone from our forum confirms it with first hand experience

Regarding the sub, if at all it has to happen it will happen only after a preliminary round of room treatment...since my room is almost square

Abhi
You are invited pl call and confirm.

Congrats Abhi :). I was checking bhphotovideo.com (a site that accepts indian credit cards) for these and found that there are two versions... BM6 for 800$ and BM6A for 1700$ which is a 100W active monitor. I wonder how the BM6A would sound compared to the BM6 with a good amp like your plinius integrated. These even have studio quality XLR inputs

Jeeves, I will call you up very soon, sometimes within this week.

Hello Chaos Sir,
Ya, even I know about the active versions of these monitors. About the sound, not much of an idea. My opinion is, if you have a very limited budget, active would be better but in that case no question of amp upgradation. In Audio Asylum, they mostly talk about the passive versions as everyone is particular about their own choice of amplification....unfortunately we dont have the option of listening to it in a showroom. They have a dealer in India but cant say if he can give you a demo. Nonetheless, Dynaudio doesnt do anything half assed and moreover they cant risk their reputation in the pro market where these things sell the most....hence it would be safe to assume that BM6A would definitely sound good...how good, thats something one has to hear.

abhi.pani schrieb:

Hello Chaos Sir, Ya, even I know about the active versions of these monitors. About the sound, not much of an idea. My opinion is, if you have a very limited budget, active would be better but in that case no question of amp upgradation. In Audio Asylum, they mostly talk about the passive versions as everyone is particular about their own choice of amplification....unfortunately we dont have the option of listening to it in a showroom. They have a dealer in India but cant say if he can give you a demo. Nonetheless, Dynaudio doesnt do anything half assed and moreover they cant risk their reputation in the pro market where these things sell the most....hence it would be safe to assume that BM6A would definitely sound good...how good, thats something one has to hear. ;)

Hehe very true but from the prices, the active ones are anything but cheap... 799$ vs 1699$. I wonder what kind of amplification sits inside the active ones but at those prices, it better be good :P.

Hi Abhi,
congrats! When they are broken in please give me ring. I would like to come along with the ARITAs and find out where both speakers stand. What's the official price of the BM6 in India?
Jochen

Hi Jochen,
Definitely!! I will call you once I find the BM6 performing upto the mark. They are priced around the same as Audience52..thats 55k, but dealers are different.

Hi,

I have had a fair experience with Dynaudio speakers, thus this reply. The tweeter on the 52SE is the same one that was used in their earlier model, the magical 1.3SE (3000. USD). This tweeter cannot be beat in this price-range. Its truly "trikle-down" technology working for you in the 52SE. I feel that the 52SE would have been a better choice for you. However, having said this.....

"For all the members of this forum, there are a couple of 1.3SE speaker pairs for "second sale" in this country. They are an "audio bargain" of any century for about 60-70K. Everybody should consider them before a new speaker purchase.

Cheers.

Thanks SWITCH-IT-ON...I understand what you say. The reason I stuck to BM6 was the price, they sell for just as much as the A52...

While we are on tweeters, I felt it necessary to jot down something that I have noticed today.
Now that the BM6 have burnt in for around 10hours, I just compared them to the A52....the bass on BM6 have become much fuller and is now sounding close to A52 (but still doenst beat in detailing)...however the tweeter on the BM6 lacks the sparkle thats present in A52....I wonder if I can hear the same sparkle (or even better) on the BM6 after further break-in or is it designed to negate the sparkle
I was of impression that its only the woofers which require major burn-in...is it also true for tweeters ??

Sure Jeeves / Abhi. I am game
Will drop in one of these days.
Btw: Abhi, have you bought speaker stands yet ?

abhi.pani schrieb:

Hi Jochen, Definitely!! I will call you once I find the BM6 performing upto the mark. They are priced around the same as Audience52..thats 55k, but dealers are different.

So they are 10% more expensive than the ARITAs. Let's see if they also perform 10% better . But I think it'll be again a matter of taste .

Jochen

congrats man! i guess you're now a firm dynaudio fan huh?

I thank me for inviting myself over...will surely be there!

BTW...Abhi, tried calling u up on Sunday morning but couldn't get through...

Since we have a lot of ppl excited abt checking it up...can we convert this into a Bangalore meet???

square_wave schrieb:

Sure Jeeves / Abhi. I am game Will drop in one of these days. Btw: Abhi, have you bought speaker stands yet ?

Square buddy, I will be buying the stands somewhere this month. I will be visiting Prithvi this week to take a look at what stands he has in store, then there is Cadence stands, and the one Bhagwan is selling (transportation is a issue there).
Whatever it is, it will be soon

Do visit in at your convinience, I will PM you my number.

soulforged schrieb:

I thank me for inviting myself over...will surely be there! BTW...Abhi, tried calling u up on Sunday morning but couldn't get through... Since we have a lot of ppl excited abt checking it up...can we convert this into a Bangalore meet???

Hi Souforged,
Its unfortunate that you couldnt get through my number. I am free today and tomorrow (on leave)...you can come over buddy. Give me a call and we can decide the timing.

Regarding Bangalore meet, I will be happy to do that, but we had a discussion that next meet will happen at Steve's place (if he is still happy about that ) and we will check out the hot topic of the season Lyrita Valve + Lyrita Harmony Single driver speakers.

Work has become really hectic as we are nearing the FY ending, so weekdays would be tough for me, also working this weekend to compensate for the bandh

Will call u up and fix something up for one of the weekends...hopefully by then ur BM6 would be fully operational...

Cool...

Thanks abhi for the invite. Will come over once you have the stands in.
You should be checking out Murthy also for the stands.
I was at his place on Saturday listening to some music. Every time I listen to his setup, I am reminded how badly most of us setup our systems. The stark realism and sound-staging he has achieved with his 22 year old speakers by optimal setup and room treatment is astounding.

Square,
I will be visiting Prithvi's place for checking out Murthy's stands
Murthy had asked me to contact Prithvi.
I have heard a lot about Murthy's setup, listening is pending, will do that very soon.

I have seen the stands by Murthy at Prithvi's...there's one which is super-heavy and super-stable...also super-expensive I guess...but really a beaut...

abhi.pani schrieb:

While we are on tweeters, I felt it necessary to jot down something that I have noticed today. Now that the BM6 have burnt in for around 10hours, I just compared them to the A52....the bass on BM6 have become much fuller and is now sounding close to A52 (but still doenst beat in detailing)...however the tweeter on the BM6 lacks the sparkle thats present in A52....I wonder if I can hear the same sparkle (or even better) on the BM6 after further break-in or is it designed to negate the sparkle I was of impression that its only the woofers which require major burn-in...is it also true for tweeters ?? :?

Hi Abhi,
What about optimising speaker performance by taking care of room placement and speaker stands? If people are coming over to your place, get their help for setup. I have heard that setup can make a bigger difference to sound than a speaker change in some cases!
About 'sparkle', aren't monitors supposed to be neutral?

hi abhi am targetting 3rd march to invite everyone over. so if you want to invite the guys over go ahead! i probably wont be able to make it though

Hi Steve,
No hassles, We will meet up at your place on 3rd March. I suppose there is no point conducting two get-togethers within a span of 15 days. I dont mind inviting people to my place but they have already visited my place and heard my system as well and the curiosity to hear a new setup will pull in more crowd I suppose ...so do put in your invitation well in advance so that people can plan it out

Buddies,
Here is an update.After almost 20 hours of burn-in I decided to have a one-on-one between A52 and BM6 today evening (just for fun).....I was surprised to see the transformation the BM6 has undergone. It now BEATS the A52 in Bass department...yes folks, the same speaker I thought was lacking bass in comparison to A52 when I initially played them but now it hits that extra octave at the lower end which A52 just doesnt reach. I played some well recorded bass-heavy tracks, which I know, have information well below 50hz. The A52 has a frequency range of 50hz-20khz (+-3db) while the BM6 on specs goes down to 43hz. It really goes low man...infact the A52 sounded constrained while playing the track when compared to BM6 as if something is sharply stopping the A52 to go lower. The BM6 easily went lower, sounded punchier as well as deeper...now thats the good thing, they go low without loosing the tightness in the bass so the punch is right there without any overhang but still you feel that bottom octave. Its a nice feeling...
Now I realize that things are happening..and happening for good.

Mids are almost of the same grade in both the speakers as of now, but I do expect better mids in BM6 after further breakin...may be a bit more body will be added in the lower mids because of the bass capability of the speaker.

Highs not yet impressed, neither depressed.

Dear Abhi,

Congrats and glad to hear about the improvement, sure they will be better after few more hrs. BTW the bottom octave is from 20hz to 40hz

Regards

Anil

Hi Abhi, congrats on your Beamers!And many happy hours of listening & feeling good about them!

have seen the stands by Murthy at Prithvi's...there's one which is super-heavy and super-stable...also super-expensive I guess...but really a beaut

BTW, do check out the DIY section for the thread"My New Stands "by Neono-he built himself great stands for virtually next to nothing.

Stands borrowed from Murthy today...set it up while my wifey is in office...
It looks like a studio now...my wife is gonna kill me when she sees it today evening...

BM6 + Murthy's Stands (initially mend for Proac Response BS)


She wanted it to look like this:
A52 + Cadence Stands (Borrowed from Jochen)

BTW, do check out the DIY section for the thread"My New Stands "by Neono-he built himself great stands for virtually next to nothing.

Hi Kamal,
Thanks for your suggestion, I am also considering the DIY stands that you have mentioned...but the issue with that stand is moveability, I just cant play around with placement if I use them. Thats something thats bugging me.

abhi.pani schrieb:

Stands borrowed from Murthy today...set it up while my wifey is in office... It looks like a studio now...my wife is gonna kill me when she sees it today evening... BM6 + Murthy's Stands (initially mend for Proac Response BS) She wanted it to look like this: A52 + Cadence Stands (Borrowed from Jochen)

That looks pretty darn good actually..
I see that you have a servo tucked away on the extreme right..
The speaker actually looks realy good IMHO, just be mindful of children when u have guests over.

what's the cost of the stands?..

but the issue with that stand is moveability,

IMHO,there'll be pain initially when you're in the process of looking for the best placement-but after that-nirvana!
Actually, heavy stands are a definite yes, yes-they anchor the speakers so beautifully.

Thanks for the compliment Sachi...to me they dont look elegant but they definitely look mean and fiery.

what's the cost of the stands?..

The stands costs around 10k. Its a demo piece which Murthy is ready to offer me at 10k....the full blown (externally better finished) version goes for 22k. This is one of the option I am considering, I am also looking at the Cadence Stands, they look beautiful and do the job well, but the only issue is height. They are about 100mm shorter than I would normally require so they have to be put on some platform to bring it to my ear level...now finding a suitable platform is worrying me

abhi.pani schrieb:

The stands costs around 10k. Its a demo piece which Murthy is ready to offer me at 10k....the full blown (externally better finished) version goes for 22k. This is one of the option I am considering, I am also looking at the Cadence Stands, they look beautiful and do the job well, but the only issue is height. They are about 100mm shorter than I would normally require so they have to be put on some platform to bring it to my ear level...now finding a suitable platform is worrying me :.

IMHO, go for the stands made by Murthy. You can decide if the extra cost for the better looks is worth your money. Of course, do not ask the lady-of-the-house! You what the answer will be!
Ensure that you can fill the metal sands completely with sand or metal ball-bearings, etc to damp it. Otherwise, they will ring like an organ pipe. In fact, you can verify that - rap with your knuckles while putting your ear to them. You will hear the high freq tones inside.
And, for God's sake, put some carpet in front your speakers! All that reflection off the marble is making me cup my ears! your room must be very lively?

bombaywalla schrieb:

abhi.pani schrieb: The stands costs around 10k. Its a demo piece which Murthy is ready to offer me at 10k....the full blown (externally better finished) version goes for 22k. This is one of the option I am considering, I am also looking at the Cadence Stands, they look beautiful and do the job well, but the only issue is height. They are about 100mm shorter than I would normally require so they have to be put on some platform to bring it to my ear level...now finding a suitable platform is worrying me :. IMHO, go for the stands made by Murthy. You can decide if the extra cost for the better looks is worth your money. Of course, do not ask the lady-of-the-house! You what the answer will be! Ensure that you can fill the metal sands completely with sand or metal ball-bearings, etc to damp it. Otherwise, they will ring like an organ pipe. In fact, you can verify that - rap with your knuckles while putting your ear to them. You will hear the high freq tones inside. And, for God's sake, put some carpet in front your speakers! All that reflection off the marble is making me cup my ears! your room must be very lively?

I second that..the stands made by murthy seems to suit the dyns much better than the Cadence.

They just look better than the cadence stands with the Dyns sitting on top.

abhi.pani schrieb:

Thanks for the compliment Sachi...to me they dont look elegant but they definitely look mean and fiery. what's the cost of the stands?.. The stands costs around 10k. Its a demo piece which Murthy is ready to offer me at 10k....the full blown (externally better finished) version goes for 22k. This is one of the option I am considering, I am also looking at the Cadence Stands, they look beautiful and do the job well, but the only issue is height. They are about 100mm shorter than I would normally require so they have to be put on some platform to bring it to my ear level...now finding a suitable platform is worrying me :.

Hi Abhi,

why don't you get them made by Cadence with the correct hight? Futher I want to suggest similar steel stands like the rack that you saw in my place, which I am exporting now. To save money I can make it from MS also and I can get you a good design as well.
Jochen

Abhi,

the cadence stands are made according to the height of their bookshelves. Secondly they do have a few different finishes. Wonder if they have a rosewood finish ?

Manek.

abhi.pani schrieb:

Thanks for the compliment Sachi...to me they dont look elegant but they definitely look mean and fiery. what's the cost of the stands?.. The stands costs around 10k. Its a demo piece which Murthy is ready to offer me at 10k....the full blown (externally better finished) version goes for 22k. This is one of the option I am considering, I am also looking at the Cadence Stands, they look beautiful and do the job well, but the only issue is height. They are about 100mm shorter than I would normally require so they have to be put on some platform to bring it to my ear level...now finding a suitable platform is worrying me :.

For 10k, it is a steal dude. Go for it unless you are going to get something custom made by Jochen. You can always, polish the stands when some money becomes available. I have heard Proac1SE at Jeeve’s place atop those stands. They are awesome.

Bombaywalla wrote:

IMHO, go for the stands made by Murthy. You can decide if the extra cost for the better looks is worth your money. Of course, do not ask the lady-of-the-house! You what the answer will be! Ensure that you can fill the metal sands completely with sand or metal ball-bearings, etc to damp it. Otherwise, they will ring like an organ pipe. In fact, you can verify that - rap with your knuckles while putting your ear to them. You will hear the high freq tones inside.

I am seriously considering Murthy's stands Bombaywalla but I am also keeping other options open.
Its already filled with sand and passes the knuckle test hands down. The only issue is, my wife still is reluctant about it a bit as according to her it doesnt look graceful at all and instead robs the living room of any grace.
But still I am in the process of convincing her. I am also letting her know that I am trying to get the best possible stands which serves both our purpose.

And, for God's sake, put some carpet in front your speakers! All that reflection off the marble is making me cup my ears! your room must be very lively?

You are right, my room is a bit too lively and I am desperately looking to deaden it a bit. I have tried putting a synthetic carpet in front of my speaker but that didnt make an audible difference . Jochen had visited my place once and he said the situation is rather complex which cannot be resolved easily by home-made treatments (Carpet curtains etc), it needs professional approach, bass traps, Helmholtz resonator, Acoustic panels etc. So I am planning to invest on dedicated Acoustic treatment. That will follow soon.
In any case, if you know of some good absorbent which I can put on floor, please let me know.

Goolimangala wrote:

Hi Abhi, why don't you get them made by Cadence with the correct hight? Futher I want to suggest similar steel stands like the rack that you saw in my place, which I am exporting now. To save money I can make it from MS also and I can get you a good design as well. Jochen

Hi Jochen,
Do you think its possible to for Cadence to custom make stands or do they actually support such orders (only height increment) ??
I will talk to you in person regarding the stands.

Abhi, the cadence stands are made according to the height of their bookshelves. Secondly they do have a few different finishes. Wonder if they have a rosewood finish ? Manek.

Hi Manek,
My wife likes the Mahogany shade.

Square_wave wrote:

For 10k, it is a steal dude. Go for it unless you are going to get something custom made by Jochen. You can always, polish the stands when some money becomes available. I have heard Proac1SE at Jeeve’s place atop those stands. They are awesome.

Thanks for the update buddy, I myself like the stands a lot. Just checking out other options before closing cart

The only issue is, my wife still is reluctant about it a bit as according to her it doesnt look graceful at all and instead robs the living room of any grace.

Tell her we think they are as graceful as ballerinas...seriously dude...they look really good!

As for room treatment, talk to Murthy on this as well...he might be able to help you with some bass traps etc.

Tell her we think they are as graceful as ballerinas...seriously dude...they look really good!

On second thoughts don't tell her what we think or we may be banned forever from coming over to your place...

Abhi, WAF is also equally imp. Daily you will be listening to wife first then your music

Since there is also an issue re aesthetics( wives can be ignored only at your peril), I still think you ought to consider Neonos' design-imagine the stands made out of dark green marble slabs!

Abhi
Consider getting granite slabs (black granite will go beautifully with your speakers) to put on top of the speakers...it has made a difference to the quality of bass in my system. And go for Murthy's stands..they are based on Target stands which are recommended as among the best in the business.