Can there ever be a single perfect music system?

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zhopudey
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#1 erstellt: 07. Feb 2007, 06:28
Old topic with a slight twist

There have been numerous discussions here about the perfect speaker, and about audiophiles/technophiles/music lovers, etc... Here are a few questions from my side to continue those discussions.

The perfect system, for me, would be one that makes me believe I am listening to the artist live. Not one that reproduces the CD faithfully. But I was wondering, can a single system do this for all types of music? I think music could be divided into two categories - a small group of singers with acoustical instruments, and a whole orchestra, with or without amplification.

For the first type, the music system will have to make us think that the musicians are sitting right there in our room. Thus, it should take the room acoustics into consideration. So, if one is sitting in a spacious 30x40' room listening to Norah Jones, it should sound like norah is singing in a 30x40' room. But if the system is set up in a small bedroom less than 100 sq feet, or even in a completely tiled roomed for that matter, Ms Jones should still sound like the real thing. There would be no question of good or bad sound, or using any of the usual audio teminologies. It should simply sound like Norah Jones is there in the room singing.

For orchestras, or for concerts, (or movies) however, the system will have to dissolve our walls, and transport us to the venue. Regardless of the size and type of our room, we should actually feel that we are sitting in the concert hall, or that we are standing at Woodstock. Maybe, multichannel systems would be preferable to achieve this effect.

So, my doubt is, can we expect a single music system to satisfy both these conditions, and be perfect across all genres of music?
stevieboy
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#2 erstellt: 07. Feb 2007, 06:47
i think you're starting with a pretty flawed base itself - wanting the artist to sound like its live. i think the artists themselves have a tough time replicating the effects they achieve in a studio setting with engineering/ mixing etc in a live concert. if you've heard a song and the same song recorded live you'll know what i'm referring to. in fact even different live versions of the same song are different! what you need to be hearing is the artists' environment as it was recorded. for example i have a joan osborne cd recorded in a club and it damn well sounds like its in a club with the ambience portrayed well. similarly for another brick in the wall when the children sing it feels like they're singing in a classroom.

now getting that ambience live? why is 'live' your benchmark anyway? shouldnt it be getting the ambience in which it was recorded?

if your system took the ambience and twisted it to make it seem like the singer is on stage in front of a huge crowd its a pretty manipulative system!

i dont think a good music system brings the performer into your living room. a good music system for me takes you to where the performer was recording the album.
zhopudey
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#3 erstellt: 07. Feb 2007, 06:53
Ahh...I never thought of that I'll mull over this now.....
Arj
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#4 erstellt: 07. Feb 2007, 07:24

stevieboy schrieb:

i dont think a good music system brings the performer into your living room. a good music system for me takes you to where the performer was recording the album.


I would add to it and say it makes you think it has taken you to the studio in the absence of any absolute way of comparing
zhopudey
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#5 erstellt: 08. Feb 2007, 07:32
^^ err....why would you want to go to the studio? I don't think its a place where we could kick back and enjoy the music. Now if the recording where to be done in a club/school or any other place with a distinctive ambience, then of course I would want my system to take me there. But the studio doesn't have an ambience of its own, or does it??


[Beitrag von zhopudey am 08. Feb 2007, 07:33 bearbeitet]
Amp_Nut
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#6 erstellt: 08. Feb 2007, 08:04
zhopudey said



Can there ever be a single perfect music system?


zhopudey... clearly U are not married.. or only recently..
zhopudey
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#7 erstellt: 08. Feb 2007, 09:04
Obviously not Thats why I have time to speculate over such questions
Arj
Inventar
#8 erstellt: 08. Feb 2007, 10:10
Zhopudey, you perhaps did not understand Amp_Nuts question..again perhaps only a married man will

Perfection...hmmm..
Krish
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#9 erstellt: 08. Feb 2007, 10:50

Arj schrieb:
Zhopudey, you perhaps did not understand Amp_Nuts question..again perhaps only a married man will

Perfection...hmmm.. :D


It's just as well that our 'better halves'
are not part of this forum eh!!
Sonic_Master
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#10 erstellt: 17. Feb 2007, 03:59
Zhopudey is exactly in the right direction...
the truth is...
nothing can be replicated exactly like what it is...
so needs compromise....
what you have to expect is life in your system...
there are people who cant justify even if they might have listened with professional soundcards and a standalone system...
Its all something you need to compromise...
why do u want to reach at the end of the universe...
If there is end then whats after that?
It always continues...

finding the end of the universe and finding the accurate audio system like Zhopudey said is one and the same....

Even if all the people at NASA work for the next 100 years they cant make a perfect audio system....what you say...

Never try to find perfect audio system...


My sincere suggestion is better try to have a very good professional sound card with Active system sit back and enjoy...
Sonic_Master
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#11 erstellt: 17. Feb 2007, 04:03
for Zhopudey I recommend use a Dynaudio BM6 active and plug it into ur system with the Creative EMU Professional sound card like 1820M.... preferably to watch movies use a dual 12 inch subwoofer with a bit of room treatment...would work fine...thats it end of story....

If you continue finding an absolute audio system then you are wasting the precious things both time and money..
Sonic_Master
Stammgast
#12 erstellt: 17. Feb 2007, 04:21
Even if you have creative 1212M then its fine...
The fact is any song is composed on the PC/Workstation....If you use same sound card and Same studio monitors then you can expect something which would be similar with a decent acoustics...

As much we go beyond this that much we are into mud. Its certainly not gonna be the same...

If you might have auditioned the same rig you will be very much satisfied with that and no looking back.. you will be absolutely satisfied...

Best thing one can do is to use the CREATIVE EMU PROFESSIONAL 0404 USB version to get the SPDIF in which costs arround 14k and use the active monitors like Dynaudio BM series...or so ...things work fine...

If you have enough money then always buy something and experiment and argue that this is fine ... thats fine...and useless discussions....

regards,
Sandeep
Arj
Inventar
#13 erstellt: 17. Feb 2007, 16:00

Sonic_Master schrieb:

Best thing one can do is to use the CREATIVE EMU PROFESSIONAL 0404 USB version to get the SPDIF in which costs arround 14k and use the active monitors like Dynaudio BM series...or so ...things work fine...

If you have enough money then always buy something and experiment and argue that this is fine ... thats fine...and useless discussions....



...AAh i always knew someone would have found the answer to what so many audiophiles are aiming for.
Kamal
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#14 erstellt: 17. Feb 2007, 17:44
Aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrggggggggg, here we go again!
ani
Stammgast
#15 erstellt: 17. Feb 2007, 18:46
Sonic wrote

The fact is any song is composed on the PC/Workstation....If you use same sound card and Same studio monitors then you can expect something which would be similar with a decent acoustics...


I dont get it, do you mean to say that all songs are composed on PC ?

The way you have put it sounds like the death
of audio industry itself.

Regards
Anil
Sonic_Master
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#16 erstellt: 17. Feb 2007, 18:56
I dont mean that the audio industry is dead but I feel that spending tons of time in researching for a product that you want is mere waste of time.

well like i said its ur money and time. If you have it then put it. If you dont have then think of the above configs...

regards,
sandeep
SDhawan
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#17 erstellt: 18. Feb 2007, 17:06
Any music system that can keep you single is perfect

Hi Arj, am I right ?

It's hard to even define "perfect", let alone create one.
SUB_BOSS
Gesperrt
#18 erstellt: 21. Feb 2007, 15:17
Show me a perfect girl and I will show you a perfect music system...
Savyasaachi
Inventar
#19 erstellt: 01. Mrz 2007, 09:56

SUB_BOSS schrieb:
Show me a perfect girl and I will show you a perfect music system...

better hope your wife doesn't browse through this forum Mohan!!
Sonic_Master
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#20 erstellt: 01. Mrz 2007, 19:02
Perfect girl is the girl who you love and its even the same with audio system.
I think by this time you might have loved many girls...:)
Kamal
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#21 erstellt: 01. Mrz 2007, 21:12
Be like Bhagwan-keep loving 'em & stay away from marriage!


[Beitrag von Kamal am 01. Mrz 2007, 21:13 bearbeitet]
Arj
Inventar
#22 erstellt: 02. Mrz 2007, 05:11

Sonic_Master schrieb:
Perfect girl is the girl who you love and its even the same with audio system.
I think by this time you might have loved many girls...:)


AAh..that make my ipod perfect
SDhawan
Stammgast
#23 erstellt: 02. Mrz 2007, 06:34
It is not difficult to find perfect girl - there are so many of them

You can always identify perfect girl of the the week

Buying an audio is like marrying - you need to see what's the perfect "compromise" that you can live with the rest of your like.

Thank God you can upgrade your audio - a component at a time or all at once
SDhawan
Stammgast
#24 erstellt: 02. Mrz 2007, 06:36

SUB_BOSS schrieb:
Show me a perfect girl and I will show you a perfect music system...


If you can't find perfect girl - refer to the DIY section
SUB_BOSS
Gesperrt
#25 erstellt: 21. Aug 2007, 08:08

If you can't find perfect girl - refer to the DIY section


What do you mean??? Looks like you've had good amount of experience.
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