CDP Group test Part - II Cyrus CD 6S

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G_S_Madhav
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#1 erstellt: 04. Sep 2007, 06:32
Cyrus CD6S:


Cyrus CD 6S looks like a slick British gentleman in a formal executive attire. This player is every bit of British; slick, smart, fast, tight lipped, formal and needless to mention ‘boring’!

This compact looking unit in shoe box styled enclosure is in typical British dull grey color scheme. This light weight body is made up of a single die cast magnesium alloy with built in fins for better heat dissipation. Cyrus literature talks about some distinct electrical and mechanical advantages of this construction mainly minimizing micro phonic effects dues to the non-resonant nature of the alloy, effective shielding from external electro-magnetic disturbances attributed to its non-ferrous composition and eliminating coupling of the power transformer stray magnetic fields to the sensitive audio circuitry. And after evaluating the performance I started believing it.

This slick ness is good when it saves rack space and bad when it comes to User Interface. Narrow width fancy has taken its toll, key pad is squeezed in what so ever space left after accommodating CD tray and that fatty overpowering display. These cheap plastic Keys are small and configured in the most awkward matter. When the CD tray opens, all of front-panel buttons get obscured. Display is bright but quite over powering with dull yellowish green backlit with larger than life character fonts.This display really scared me and often reminded me of the PT teacher I had in my school days!

The biggest upset came from the CD tray. It is crappy, noisy, fragile and cheap. One look at it and I immediately started doubting about its durability and its noise really made me sick. This was not expected from a CD player costing 65K price, even my 5K Pioneer DVDP has got a swift, silk smooth CD tray mechanism.

And to add salt to injury, Cyrus has provided a cheapo plastic bar as Remote! It is as stupid and as ugly as Rajendra Nath’s comedy otherwise who would think of using UP arrow key for advancing to the next track?

OK, now enough of beating the Brit, let us talk business err Music.


Listening:

Hooking up Cyrus was simple and straight forward, no need to refer the manual. The moment I heard the first bar of music delivered by Cyrus, I got surprised by its natural sound with full of bass, details, separation, dynamics and huge soundstage ! And this surprise continued track after track with its precise tonal accuracy, out and out clean sound with no trace of any background noise.

Regardless of type of music, Jazz, classical, pop, rock Cyrus always sounded confident, composed and with authority assuring me , every time, without fail, that I am listening to a winner!

With Western classical music, Cyrus offered far greater clarity and dynamics while tracking complex music. Its tonal accuracy and ruler flat frequency response amazed me. From top to bottom everything is precise, clear, dynamic and realistic.

It is the bass performance from Cyrus that won my heart, it was tightly controlled and with true punch and lots of weight. Tonal accuracy is another area where Cyrus excelled, every instrument presented with at most accuracy and authority, the saxophone from Ben Webster sounded like the instrument it is. It presented Salil Bhat‘s Saatvik Veena (a modified Guitar) with every details, it was amazing to hear each note clearly defined with just the right amount of ambience.

Vocals were pure, open , effortless and with plenty of character. Chorus sounded the way it should sound. I could hear individual voices summing the chorus with Chants from ‘The Benedictine Monks of Santo Domingo De Silos’.

But with all this goody things, I did notice somewhat dry presentation [remember that PT Drill?] . There was no emotional involvement that Jolida offered. For Jazz and Indian classical this Govt Of India style dryness was rather disturbing.

Conclusion:

I do have some minor quibbles about the CD drawer mechanism and remote control as well as some operational features of the player. Cyrus with its built in dryness sometimes disconnects you from the music but overall I was quite happy with the sound.

It definitely represents a well engineered, excellent value product. It is an outcome of years of dedicated research and development. With every iteration Cyrus products are improving by reaping the benefits of newer technologies, material and practices.

As compared to offerings from NAD, CA, Arcam , Marantz this player costs more but it is worth that extra spending .This is the player that can bring in truck loads of improvements to your system regardless of other components. And to outperform this player you might need to spend 2x/ 3x the amount.

When Cyrus guys proudly talk about out-perform most players in its class. With its ruler-flat linearity performance, exceptionally low background noise and superb jitter rejection, they really mean. Yes, I repeat, they really mean it!


SUhas

[ In part III , I will cover Arcam CD 73T]

Contd...


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Arj
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#2 erstellt: 04. Sep 2007, 06:59
Interesting review. I have read about the PSU focus by Cyrus. nice to know it works.

Would be interesting if there was some way we could figure out the stronger part here ie the transport or the DAC section. (the tray may be bad..but how about the transport section stability)
bombaywalla
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#3 erstellt: 06. Sep 2007, 15:02

G_S_Madhav schrieb:


With Western classical music, Cyrus offered far greater clarity and dynamics while tracking complex music. Its tonal accuracy and ruler flat frequency response amazed me. From top to bottom everything is precise, clear, dynamic and realistic.



please support your "Its tonal accuracy and ruler flat frequency response " phrase.
Do you have measurements that show this?
If so, please provide us a link to this measurement. Thank you!


G_S_Madhav schrieb:

It is the bass performance from Cyrus that won my heart, it was tightly controlled and with true punch and lots of weight.


did the bass have any texture or was it just tight, plentiful & punchy?
Bass notes do span a freq range & like other notes one should be able to tell which bass note is being played.



G_S_Madhav schrieb:

When Cyrus guys proudly talk about out-perform most players in its class. With its ruler-flat linearity performance, exceptionally low background noise and superb jitter rejection, they really mean. Yes, I repeat, they really mean it!


SUhas

[ In part III , I will cover Arcam CD 73T]

Contd...


Freq response can be ruler-flat indicating that all freq in the audio spectrum are equal-weighted.
However, ruler-flat linearity performance....[b] ??
That does not make any sense!
when we speak of "linearity" we are speaking of Harmonic & Inter-modulation distortion. We are [b]not
speaking of freq response any more.
SO, if a piece of electronics is deemed "very linear", it indicates that the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc harmonics are suppressed to great extent - in the 90+ dB range.

So, are you talking about the Cyrus' linearity performance OR are you talking about its freq response?
Two different things!
G_S_Madhav
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#4 erstellt: 07. Sep 2007, 07:04

bombaywalla schrieb:


please support your "Its tonal accuracy and ruler flat frequency response " phrase.
Do you have measurements that show this?
If so, please provide us a link to this measurement. Thank you!



Thanks for your comments on my review. I am no expert in Audio as such neither I am professional reviewer equipped with test gadgets and resources. I am simply an audio enthusiast and music lover like many on this forum.

Sole purpose of writing this and other reviews/write-ups is just to introduce a product to fellow forum members as well as share my listening experiences. Yes, I could be wrong in articulating my listening experiences, wrong in assigning adjectives, there could be some contradictions arising out of my limited knowledge of the subject proper and the English language which is not my mother tongue.

I appreciate you pointing out such discrepancies, I welcome them all but asking me to prove something in a language that is more like challenging doesn’t sound good and ethical. that too after being very well aware that an ordinary person like me, can’t posses any such sophisticated test gears and neither had gone through some specialized training on the subject.

I can comment on an egg whether it is eatable or not but that doesn’t mean somebody come and say “if can’t lay an Egg you can’t comment on egg”!

While respecting your depth of knowledge on the subject, I still want to ask you a question: What are you trying to prove? My observations are wrong, un-scientific and baseless? Could be, I don’t care, after all those are my honest opinions based on my listening experiences and that too what so ever , good or bad set up I own. If my reviews/ write ups are so un-scientific, biased then moderators have full right to remove them all and I won’t mind that either as this is not done for any money or some cheap publicity.

And if you are so keen about proofs and wording then what on the earth stopped you from doing it yourself? I appeal you to come up with your own review on same or some other product with all supporting proofs / methods that you have mentioned in the post. At least I/ we will come to know about what a review ought to be.

And if you can’t do that or rather not interested in doing that, then please don’t try to pull someone’s legs who is at least trying to write reviews with considerable efforts and enthusiasm. And if at all your intention is mentoring someone then there are much decent ways (PMs, personal calls, emails etc) to do so.



SUhas


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stevieboy
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#5 erstellt: 07. Sep 2007, 08:08

G_S_Madhav schrieb:
Cyrus CD6S:


But with all this goody things, I did notice somewhat dry presentation [remember that PT Drill?] . There was no emotional involvement that Jolida offered. For Jazz and Indian classical this Govt Of India style dryness was rather disturbing.


Contd...



hi suhas,


could you expand on this a little? how involving or uninvolving was the listen? as in could one listen to a few tracks or a whole cd and then have one's attention drawn to the dry presentation in certain passages or is it more like a constant that you would have to live with if you like all the good aspects? is it very noticeable or can it be overlooked?

thanks
square_wave
Inventar
#6 erstellt: 07. Sep 2007, 08:39

G_S_Madhav schrieb:

bombaywalla schrieb:


please support your "Its tonal accuracy and ruler flat frequency response " phrase.
Do you have measurements that show this?
If so, please provide us a link to this measurement. Thank you!



Thanks for your comments on my review. I am no expert in Audio as such neither I am professional reviewer equipped with test gadgets and resources. I am simply an audio enthusiast and music lover like many on this forum.

Sole purpose of writing this and other reviews/write-ups is just to introduce a product to fellow forum members as well as share my listening experiences. Yes, I could be wrong in articulating my listening experiences, wrong in assigning adjectives, there could be some contradictions arising out of my limited knowledge of the subject proper and the English language which is not my mother tongue.

I appreciate you pointing out such discrepancies, I welcome them all but asking me to prove something in a language that is more like challenging doesn’t sound good and ethical. that too after being very well aware that an ordinary person like me, can’t posses any such sophisticated test gears and neither had gone through some specialized training on the subject.

I can comment on an egg whether it is eatable or not but that doesn’t mean somebody come and say “if can’t lay an Egg you can’t comment on egg”!

While respecting your depth of knowledge on the subject, I still want to ask you a question: What are you trying to prove? My observations are wrong, un-scientific and baseless? Could be, I don’t care, after all those are my honest opinions based on my listening experiences and that too what so ever , good or bad set up I own. If my reviews/ write ups are so un-scientific, biased then moderators have full right to remove them all and I won’t mind that either as this is not done for any money or some cheap publicity.

And if you are so keen about proofs and wording then what on the earth stopped you from doing it yourself? I appeal you to come up with your own review on same or some other product with all supporting proofs / methods that you have mentioned in the post. At least I/ we will come to know about what a review ought to be.

And if you can’t do that or rather not interested in doing that, then please don’t try to pull someone’s legs who is at least trying to write reviews with considerable efforts and enthusiasm. And if at all your intention is mentoring someone then there are much decent ways (PMs, personal calls, emails etc) to do so.



SUhas


Hi Suhas,
Your reviews were some of the best posts I read on this forum for a long time and we are all looking forward to more…
Thank you for the effort that you put in. It is a very difficult job to do such a thorough review and then document it and post it for all to see. We appreciate what you have done and look forward to more.
G_S_Madhav
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#7 erstellt: 07. Sep 2007, 09:07

stevieboy schrieb:

hi suhas,


could you expand on this a little? how involving or uninvolving was the listen? as in could one listen to a few tracks or a whole cd and then have one's attention drawn to the dry presentation in certain passages or is it more like a constant that you would have to live with if you like all the good aspects? is it very noticeable or can it be overlooked?

thanks


I found Cyrus rather dry in comparison with other CD players in the group test viz. Arcam, Jolida and AA. Let me explain, why and how I described it Dry.

Jolida and AA are with Tube output stage so some warmness inherent to Tubes is expected. Jolida and AA sounded sweet and perhaps that brought in some emotional connection with the music being played. This especially was more apparent while playing Indian Classical and Jazz numbers. When played those same tracks on Cyrus, being more natural player amongst the lot that sweetness was missing causing some occasional emotional disconnects, which I described as a Dry. Arcam on the other hand , even though not being Tube based CDP, I found rather forward playing and little bit of harsh sounding.

This dryness may not be noticeable while playing some pop / rock number, but I don’t have enough experience of playing rock on any of these CD players.

Nevertheless, as I said earlier, I found Cyrus the most cleanest and natural sounding, more detailed and it performed with more weight or authority.

With the price tag of 33K, AA is Okay as a the budget minded purchase, but the unit I got showed lots of problems serious enough to question its reliability in the long run and I don't want to take any risk, given the quality and commitment level of After Sales Support in India. There are no serious efforts from dealer side to clarify these doubts. They are yet to send me a revised quotation after me asking some nominal discount customary in HiFi purchase.

Jolida was quite enjoyable at least for some music genre such as Indian Classical and Jazz, but somehow I didn't like the idea of paying 61K for it. For the given performance, it is overpriced.

Arcam sounded clean and decent but I found its performance always remained a notch or two below than that of Cyrus’s. I found it much better than NAD, CA and Marantz players I auditioned in the recent past. For a budget around 35`40K it is still a good pick.

I am Okay with the dryness I experienced with Cyrus, considering other good points of Cyrus mentioned above, it is tolerable. Further my amp is going to be Valve based which can cover up this dryness to some extent, works for me!

Earlier I never thought of buying a CDP costing some 60K, Arcam was the choice but after auditioning Cyrus and considering the discount available for Cyrus, I decided it is worth stretching the budget.

I am considering buying Cyrus and presently in talks with Jay of Sound -and- Vision Pune, provided after getting VA1, I am still left with enough money to buy a Cyrus. If I can't make Cyrus, my next best option would be Arcam CD73T.

Hope this helps.

SUhas
square_wave
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#8 erstellt: 07. Sep 2007, 09:32
Have you considered Roksan players. Especially the Caspian series. I know one very seasoned audiophile who swears by the roksan sound. He recently tried a Marantz cd17mk2 but he went back to his old roksan player.
abhi.pani
Inventar
#9 erstellt: 07. Sep 2007, 09:50
Hi Suhas,
I dont want to confuse you but if you are stretching to 60k, why dont you try out the Arcam CD-192 ??? Its leagues ahead of CD-73 and infact a very close competitor to their own FMJ-36 (both have the same DAC, I think ) which is priced 1.2 Lacs odd. CD-192 should be available for 65k (after some bargaining may be).
Arj
Inventar
#10 erstellt: 07. Sep 2007, 09:56
great now that he has made up his mid let us confuse him

Suhas have you thought of something like an external DAC with your current setup ? maybe a nice AudioNote ?


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Shahrukh
Inventar
#11 erstellt: 07. Sep 2007, 09:57
Yes, I think Mr Dave even has a Roksan CDP in his shop. You could listen to the VA 1 and the Roksan together!
square_wave
Inventar
#12 erstellt: 07. Sep 2007, 10:11

Shahrukh schrieb:
Yes, I think Mr Dave even has a Roksan CDP in his shop. You could listen to the VA 1 and the Roksan together!


Which model ?
G_S_Madhav
Stammgast
#13 erstellt: 07. Sep 2007, 10:14

square_wave schrieb:
Have you considered Roksan players. Especially the Caspian series. I know one very seasoned audiophile who swears by the roksan sound. He recently tried a Marantz cd17mk2 but he went back to his old roksan player.



I checked for Roksan player with Mahendra but he advised me not to go in for that player, it is not because of performance but rather service / support realted issues.

SUhas
stevieboy
Stammgast
#14 erstellt: 07. Sep 2007, 10:16
thanks suhas. yes was helpful in clarifying things. i guess the little dryness would be taken care of by the va1.

regards
G_S_Madhav
Stammgast
#15 erstellt: 07. Sep 2007, 10:19

abhi.pani schrieb:
Hi Suhas,
I dont want to confuse you but if you are stretching to 60k, why dont you try out the Arcam CD-192 ??? Its leagues ahead of CD-73 and infact a very close competitor to their own FMJ-36 (both have the same DAC, I think ) which is priced 1.2 Lacs odd. CD-192 should be available for 65k (after some bargaining may be).


Good suggestion, I heard about CD192 but was not knowing its price is so close to Cyrus. As I haven't placed an order for Cyrus I still can evaluate any player within the set budget of 60K. AV Excellence , Pune deals in Arcam products, if they can arrange CD192 for a home audition.

SUhas
G_S_Madhav
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#16 erstellt: 07. Sep 2007, 10:29

Arj schrieb:
great now that he has made up his mid let us confuse him

Suhas have you thought of something like an external DAC with your current setup ? maybe a nice AudioNote ?



I want even more confusion building efforts from you all guys! That way I come to know more and better option, I overlooked in the first place.

I checked with Mahendra regarding AudioNotes DAC, as once up on a time, he used to deals in this line of products. According to him, AN DACs are not within my budget.

SUhas
Shahrukh
Inventar
#17 erstellt: 07. Sep 2007, 10:36

square_wave schrieb:

Shahrukh schrieb:
Yes, I think Mr Dave even has a Roksan CDP in his shop. You could listen to the VA 1 and the Roksan together!


Which model ?


Caspian. If I'm not mistaken.
Arj
Inventar
#18 erstellt: 07. Sep 2007, 11:03
[quote="G_S_Madhav"

I checked with Mahendra regarding AudioNotes DAC, as once up on a time, he used to deals in this line of products. According to him, AN DACs are not within my budget.

SUhas[/quote]

Suhas, the DAC 1 and 2 is below 1000 USD so should fit your budget.

Another brand which is good to try out is Benchmark DAC1
which even with Shipping into the country with Duty should be just in your budget. the problem if auditioning is of course there.. you should be able to get one for USD 800 from Audiogon as well
G_S_Madhav
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#19 erstellt: 07. Sep 2007, 11:11

Arj schrieb:

Suhas, the DAC 1 and 2 is below 1000 USD so should fit your budget.

Another brand which is good to try out is Benchmark DAC1
which even with Shipping into the country with Duty should be just in your budget. the problem if auditioning is of course there.. you should be able to get one for USD 800 from Audiogon as well


I have some idea of US pricing but when it reaches India, price go by 1.5X to 2X. By the way do you knowbody dealing in AN / Benchmark DACs?

SUhas
Arj
Inventar
#20 erstellt: 07. Sep 2007, 11:32
from us, the fright would be around USD100 and duty of around 43%..so 1.43+ 100 should be realistic. so your no of 1.5 is quite correct.

IF you do travel to singapore, Audionote Singapore at Adelphi might be a good place to stop by. they are very noce folks there

http://www.hifi.com.sg/products/products.htm

In India, i am sorry ..am quite clueless..
bombaywalla
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#21 erstellt: 07. Sep 2007, 15:17

G_S_Madhav schrieb:

I am no expert in Audio as such neither I am professional reviewer equipped with test gadgets and resources. I am simply an audio enthusiast and music lover like many on this forum.


And that is perfectly fine by me. I expected all of us to of the same type i.e. audio enthusiasts & not pro reviewers.



G_S_Madhav schrieb:

Sole purpose of writing this and other reviews/write-ups is just to introduce a product to fellow forum members as well as share my listening experiences.


this is welcomed by all, I think.


G_S_Madhav schrieb:

Yes, I could be wrong in articulating my listening experiences, wrong in assigning adjectives, there could be some contradictions arising out of my limited knowledge of the subject proper and the English language which is not my mother tongue.


You wrote a pretty damn good bit of text that flowed very very well for someone claiming that English is not their mother-tongue!! BTW, it is not my mother-tongue either. Suhas, don't play this cheap trick on me & the others by trying to hide behind "the English language which is not my mother tongue"! I've seen several posts by you in the past & you know English very well, I must say!


G_S_Madhav schrieb:

I appreciate you pointing out such discrepancies, I welcome them all but asking me to prove something in a language that is more like challenging doesn’t sound good and ethical. that too after being very well aware that an ordinary person like me, can’t posses any such sophisticated test gears and neither had gone through some specialized training on the subject.


Actually, I was not asking you to prove anything but my sentence could have been worded a bit different to ask if there was a professional review out there where they had made some measurements of the Cyrus CDP that showed the ruler-flat freq response.
In reality that is what I was asking for.
I KNOW that you would not have any test equipment to make measurements by yourself & neither was I expecting you to!


G_S_Madhav schrieb:

While respecting your depth of knowledge on the subject, I still want to ask you a question: What are you trying to prove?


I'm not trying to prove anything. What I'm trying to tell you is that you should not make unsubstantiated claims on equipment. Sharing your listening observations is welcomed by all & if you do not have any knowledge about the electronics that you are reviewing then please avoid talking about the technical aspects of that piece of gear. You are misleading us. That would be the ethical thing to do & the correct thing to do - don't talk about a subject that you know nothing or very little about.



G_S_Madhav schrieb:

And if you can’t do that or rather not interested in doing that, then please don’t try to pull someone’s legs who is at least trying to write reviews with considerable efforts and enthusiasm. And if at all your intention is mentoring someone then there are much decent ways (PMs, personal calls, emails etc) to do so.
SUhas


Like I wrote before, your efforts in reviewing the CDP are appreciated. It would be preferred that you not write about an area that you claim to have zero knowledge of. You are misleading the forum members. The ruler-flat freq response stuff is purely subjective - it might appear to be ruler-flat to you but not to somebody else + we do not have any measurements (from a pro review, etc) that can substantiate this.

I have no intention to PM you - whatever I have to say, I will say it out in the open in this forum.
I PM/email people when the subject is personal (i.e. not for public consumption).


Anyway, I hope that I've cleared things up a bit & that you will take this post & my prev one in the correct spirit.
Neutral
Stammgast
#22 erstellt: 07. Sep 2007, 16:38
What transport would you guys suggest to go along with the DAC? This would add to Suhas' costs and be a more complicated solution than just a CD player.

Bombaywala,
Does bass have 'texture'? Which recordings have you noticed this on? I will try listening to this. Somehow, I feel that bass is a complement to the rhythm of the midrange and don't give it that much attention!
bombaywalla
Stammgast
#23 erstellt: 07. Sep 2007, 17:41

Neutral schrieb:

Bombaywala,
Does bass have 'texture'? Which recordings have you noticed this on? I will try listening to this. Somehow, I feel that bass is a complement to the rhythm of the midrange and don't give it that much attention!


that's why I pointed this out!!!
this is one thing I notice many people say - that bass is just rhythm.
It might be for rock & roll where it is meant to hold the beat & the drummer keeps the timing for the band but in classical music & Jazz bass has very definitive notes.

you can listen to any recording wherein Ray Brown plays the double bass.
You can listen to any Diana Krall recording wherein John Clayton plays the double bass.
You can listen to Stanley Clarke "If this bass could talk".
You can listen to any Oscar Peterson recording wherein Ed Thigpen & Ray Brown play drums & double bass resp.
the list is quite large for Jazz.
I'm sure that classical music fans can enumerate an even longer list of recordings. Manek? Doc? Deaf? Bhagwan69?
Arj
Inventar
#24 erstellt: 07. Sep 2007, 17:46
Texture to Bass is not just in Western Classical. Chaurasias Baansuri goes down pretty deep (40s ?) as well and if the harmonics do not come out you get that 1 tone feeling.

same with fusion..can have many layers which are not apparent when you listen to it..its when they go missing that you miss "something"
Neutral
Stammgast
#25 erstellt: 08. Sep 2007, 08:26

bombaywalla schrieb:

Neutral schrieb:

Bombaywala,
Does bass have 'texture'? Which recordings have you noticed this on? I will try listening to this. Somehow, I feel that bass is a complement to the rhythm of the midrange and don't give it that much attention!


that's why I pointed this out!!!
this is one thing I notice many people say - that bass is just rhythm.
It might be for rock & roll where it is meant to hold the beat & the drummer keeps the timing for the band but in classical music & Jazz bass has very definitive notes.

you can listen to any recording wherein Ray Brown plays the double bass.
You can listen to any Diana Krall recording wherein John Clayton plays the double bass.
You can listen to Stanley Clarke "If this bass could talk".
You can listen to any Oscar Peterson recording wherein Ed Thigpen & Ray Brown play drums & double bass resp.
the list is quite large for Jazz.
I'm sure that classical music fans can enumerate an even longer list of recordings. Manek? Doc? Deaf? Bhagwan69?


Thanks!
I still have much to learn. I have Diana, so will listen to John Clayton's bass more carefully. I guess I might have subconsciously registered this nuance. I often get irritated when mediocre bands go 'dum, dum, dum ..' without any form. Perhaps, this lack of nuance is the cause.
Manek
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#26 erstellt: 09. Sep 2007, 18:03
oh yes....bass has as much texture as other frequency groups/ranges...and why not ? the lower registers/ bass notes can be diffrentiated by the human ear easily.

Classical music has many instances of diffrenciated bass notes. Hear two or three versions of the opening movement of malher 2nd symphony where the entire bass section of the orchestra plays.....you will be able decipher the various bass notes. My fav is the london phil by klaus tendstedt. really low and powerfull !

Bach tocata and fuge, prelude and fugue....organ bass notes galore...perfect piece to hear bass...one of my favs hull city hall organ.

There usually are a handfull of tympani/kettle drums in an orchestra. Pecussionists strike them at different points on the membrane to derive different bass notes.

The double bass and cello's are plucked and bowed and they too have their distinctive notes.

Neutral, hear the track east of the sun on DK's live in paris, john clayton bows the double bass.


Manek


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SDhawan
Stammgast
#27 erstellt: 09. Sep 2007, 19:57
Suhas !

That was really a tremendous effort. Congratulations !

What was the rest of your setup?

One BIG advantage of the small shoe-box design, size & looks of Cyrus products is that they look cheap, mass market stuff - easy pass through the green channels at the custom & do not raise the eyebrows of your friends & relatives !!!!!! And just like good speakers the whole setup just disappears from your eyes & mind, so its only the music that fills.

A comment on the interface - I don't ever need to use the keys on the panel except the Eject button. You can control everything from the remote - single control manages all the Cyrus products (Brits may be boring but aren't brainless) !!!
SNV
Stammgast
#28 erstellt: 10. Sep 2007, 09:24
Dear Doc,

You dont need to press the eject button on the cd player, just press the stop button on the remote.
It works as the open/close and the stop button when the cd is playing.

Regards
SNV
G_S_Madhav
Stammgast
#29 erstellt: 10. Sep 2007, 09:46

SDhawan schrieb:

A comment on the interface - I don't ever need to use the keys on the panel except the Eject button. You can control everything from the remote - single control manages all the Cyrus products (Brits may be boring but aren't brainless) !!!


Thanks Doctor. I have a habit of misplacing Remote/s; it is never around when I needed it the most. Most of the time, I end up walking across the floor to operate those keys! Once I thought of embedding a Remote in the arm rest of my couch but then how many?


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Arj
Inventar
#30 erstellt: 10. Sep 2007, 11:59
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Arj
Inventar
#31 erstellt: 10. Sep 2007, 11:59

SNV schrieb:
Dear Doc,

You dont need to press the eject button on the cd player, just press the stop button on the remote.
It works as the open/close and the stop button when the cd is playing.

Regards
SNV


I used to have an eject button in my previous CDP (Nad) but my Current transport (Classe) has an eject only on the player..

but since one needs to walk up till there to change the CD anyway it really has very little benefit
SNV
Stammgast
#32 erstellt: 10. Sep 2007, 14:23

Arj schrieb:

SNV schrieb:
Dear Doc,

You dont need to press the eject button on the cd player, just press the stop button on the remote.
It works as the open/close and the stop button when the cd is playing.

Regards
SNV


I used to have an eject button in my previous CDP (Nad) but my Current transport (Classe) has an eject only on the player..

but since one needs to walk up till there to change the CD anyway it really has very little benefit :D


Ofcourse sir, one has to walk up to change the disc in the player.
The reason why i mentioned that, is because a dedicated "eject" button is not on the remote. The stop button is a multipurpose one

Regards
SNV
Neutral
Stammgast
#33 erstellt: 10. Sep 2007, 19:16

Manek schrieb:
oh yes....bass has as much texture as other frequency groups/ranges...and why not ? the lower registers/ bass notes can be diffrentiated by the human ear easily.

Classical music has many instances of diffrenciated bass notes. Hear two or three versions of the opening movement of malher 2nd symphony where the entire bass section of the orchestra plays.....you will be able decipher the various bass notes. My fav is the london phil by klaus tendstedt. really low and powerfull !

Bach tocata and fuge, prelude and fugue....organ bass notes galore...perfect piece to hear bass...one of my favs hull city hall organ.

There usually are a handfull of tympani/kettle drums in an orchestra. Pecussionists strike them at different points on the membrane to derive different bass notes.

The double bass and cello's are plucked and bowed and they too have their distinctive notes.

Neutral, hear the track east of the sun on DK's live in paris, john clayton bows the double bass.


Manek


Thanks Bombaywala, Arj, and Manek
Manek, sadly my Live in Paris CD is stuck in Bombay.
However, I listened to:
1 Diana Krall - Girl in the Other Room CD
2 Vanessa Mae - Toccata And Fugue In D Minor track
3 Jimmy Smith - Theme from Joy House
4 Oscar Peterson Trio - Honey Dripper
For comparison, I also listened to a Medley of religious songs. The bass goes 'dum, dum, dum...' in the medley. Sounds simply horrid.

Whereas, in the good music, the bass is alive and has a breadth of notes. When Diana isn't singing, the bass is very audible and sounds rich. It adds body to the sound. In Honey Dripper, there appears to be a musical conversation between the instruments.

I don't use a sub. I have 12" drivers in the main speakers and they can produce deep bass (even pipe organs) very cleanly and without any boom. I feel that small BS speakers simply cheat the audiophile. They are definitely lifestyle and have WAF , but where's the bass. I doubt a sub can ever match the magic of huge bass drivers in the fronts.
Arj
Inventar
#34 erstellt: 10. Sep 2007, 19:33
[quote="Neutral
Whereas, in the good music, the bass is alive and has a breadth of notes. When Diana isn't singing, the bass is very audible and sounds rich. It adds body to the sound. In Honey Dripper, there appears to be a musical conversation between the instruments.

I don't use a sub. I have 12" drivers in the main speakers and they can produce deep bass (even pipe organs) very cleanly and without any boom. I feel that small BS speakers simply cheat the audiophile. They are definitely lifestyle and have WAF , but where's the bass. I doubt a sub can ever match the magic of huge bass drivers in the fronts.[/quote]


i think you have a problem in your Bass reponse.
either your bass drivers are not able to articulate the lower range well or your room boom is clouding everything with a thump. perhaps a case of 1 single harmonic overwhelming everything else.

Bass below 100Hz is non directional and usually the "timbre" is quite the same. hence sub/full range etc do not matter. what is important is the cabability of the driver to go beyond one note thumps and more importantly its integration with the mids.

if you hear a high qualty BS which goes down to 45Hz at -6db more than 90% of the music is still there. what is missing is some harmonics which does add richness but not having it is not going to take the enjoyment away unless you hear huge orchestral works and organ music.

that is anyday preferable to a floorstander ,equivalently priced, which goes down to 30s.
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