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cheraz
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#1 erstellt: 03. Okt 2005, 12:13
Hi Guys,

It has been a long time since I posted anything. But I see that the old guys are still very active. That`s for you Manek... Arj.
Listen guys, can you`ll tell me some really good speakers for my car? The headset is a panasonic?!@#$%^ which I can`t really do much about as it is fully integrated into other car systems (unless I dummy that and use another front set... which I am reluctant about). I have been given names like....

1. PHD Audio
2. Alpine
3. DLS Audio
4. CDT Audio.
5. Dynaudio 240MKII
6. Dali

etc...

I want some feedback about these and any other you might care. I want clean, real sound. Not too much boom boom bang bang.

Thanks
Manek
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#2 erstellt: 03. Okt 2005, 12:39
I would go for either dynaudio or alpine.

manek.
sbfx
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#3 erstellt: 03. Okt 2005, 14:33
Well if the dynaudio is with the esotar tweeter then thats the one to have for sure, I personally use the Alpine Type-R components in my car, also one great brand to look at is Illusion Audio Carbon series (FANTASTIC!!!)


Also are you planing to use amps or just use it direct through the head-unit???, the alpines for sure wont get enough juice with the head-unit I guess same would apply for the others too.


Regards,

Satyam.
Arj
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#4 erstellt: 03. Okt 2005, 15:24
Hi Cheraz,
Nice seeing you here after such a long time..Hows our setup sounding now ?

Since you are so used to the Dynaudio sound, no reason why you should not continue the experience in your car as well..you should have a tonal match :)although as suggesterd by sbfx you would need to confirm on the power requirement first..

I was very very impressed by a Focal speaker set (by JM labs)which someone whom I knew had. they have a polyglass based system and it was very impressive (I think it was around 1500 SGD including the crossover)
bhagwan69
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#5 erstellt: 04. Okt 2005, 07:18
1. PHD Audio
2. Alpine
3. DLS Audio
4. CDT Audio.
5. Dynaudio 240MKII
6. Dali

Hi !

What do you want to spend ?

How much of what you install do you want to see ?

Some of the products that you have mentioned are not available in India [Dynaudio & Dali], so do you have a source to get them in for you ?
The Dynaudio & Dali Distributor in India - Sound Smiths may be in a position to help you with that.

What car is this for ?

Choice of music ?

Sub-Woofer needed ? If so how many ? Boot Space can be used ?

PLease do furnish me with some details - maybe I could try and make some suggestions to you ?

JM Labs has just started its distribution in India - Kamal Dhingreja sells them.

We will get to product specifie suggestions a bit later after all the parameters have been defined.

Regards,

BHAGWAN69
cheraz
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#6 erstellt: 04. Okt 2005, 08:45
Hi, to all and nice talking to you Arj.

The dyna`s was my obivious choice after the kind of music they are giving me at home. They have in the last 4 months really opened up so well. Infact about 6 months back I was getting a little tired waiting and expecting more from the speakers. But suddenly it started happening. Honestly Arj, I have not heard a better sounding system and I know guys who have spent 2-3 time more money on there syatem. I have to thank Manek for suggesting the dyna`s in the first place.

Now getting back to the car audio, the speakers I am talking about are the 240 MKII. The one`s with the ESOSTAR Tweeters are just not available and cost too much in India. I would definately require an amp, knowing how much they suck power. What do you feel about the Genesis amp? Otherwise which other amp will work well with them?

Bagwan69, I listen to mainly vocal jazz and some rock. It is for an Honda Accord. Money spent correctly is what I look for. And NO sub at all. Now the biggest problem is the head unit. The car comes factory installed with a Panasonic cd player which is fully integerated with other car functions (ie A/c, remote, fuel istimation etc ). I will have to sacrifice too much if I want to use another headunit and make the present one a dummy. Not nice at all. So, will the amp and speakers be able to compensate? I know your reply Arj. But what can I do.

Come on guys, work this out for me.

Thank a lot.

Cheraz.
Arj
Inventar
#7 erstellt: 04. Okt 2005, 09:39
Hi Cheraz,
Since the primary objective in a car is driving comfort and music is just an added feature to the above, you should keep your head unit. the features are too good to lose for better sound
I agree on the No sub for Cars.. unless you own a hummer, the space inside the car is not really enough to justify a regular sub ! (especially since you are not into Hip Hop )

Unfortunattely I am not really aware of car audio.. i used to use a Sony Explode unit, fed by an ipod with Blaupunkt speakers
bhagwan69
Inventar
#8 erstellt: 04. Okt 2005, 09:47
Hi Cheraz !

The head unit can be kept as it is;
We just rout the other head unit through the existing one. It fits with some modifications below in the swing cover [plasit burl] above the gear box. Call me & I will tell you how you can do it.

The Dynaudio Components are definately out. If you are using the Audience Series in your house, you cannot use the Esotar based component in your car - not a wise call !!! Besides the face plate is 4" in diameter and will have to be fitted on your dash board and it will look very very poor. Highly avoidable. Besides the magnet system is farrite - very very big assembly. You need a neo magnet system component system.

Basically you need to look @ 2 sets of 6" component speakers for the front & rear doors. That will be more than enough. The doors need to be opened completely & teated before you install amy thing on them. Other wise they will 'ring' & you will have the entire door panel that acts as a 'passive resonator'.

Since you do not need the sub woofers, you will not have to invest in any Alpine Head Unit [9835 is good - very very good]. You will not need to use the 'time alignment' & 'bass focus system'. Therefore we will look at a cheaper and more practicle option.

The question is to choose the right component speakers first. Then the amplifiers can be worked out [chosen] in accordance to the components that you choose.

My favourite ones are from MB Quart & Illusion Audio [these are from what is available in India. The 'Q Series' [MB Quart] & 'Carbon' [Illusion Audio]. I also like the Infinity Kapa perfect series - link

http://www.infinitysystems.com/caraudio/product.aspx?ProdId='KAPPA+PERFECT6.1'&Ser=KPE&Cat=COS

The links for the MB Quart are :-

http://www.mbquart.com/2003/en_US/products/prod_detail.asp?isArchive=&cat=auto&series=q%20series&strt=1&model=QSD+216

The link for Illusion Audio :-

http://www.illusionaudio.com/docs/carbon_cs.htm

PLease do go and have a look at all the 3 options. I like them all. They are very very good for the money.

All are available in India.

These components that I have suggested to you are for full SQ set ups. No SPL here.

Consider and let me know.

We will take it further from there.

Regards,

BHAGWAN69

P.S. The 'Q' series I have not heard or auditioned - other 2 have been used & evaluated by me. Hence I reccommend it. The MB Quart 'Q' series is my all time favoutire. I like their products & respect its designer very much. Hence I recommend them very strongly - should be the best of the lot.


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cheraz
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#9 erstellt: 04. Okt 2005, 10:20
Instead of routing the other headunit thru the existing one, can I not use the same headunit and connect the Dyna 240MKII and a good amp?

Later I want to connect a DVD Player which can be used putting a sub and a few extra speakers which will be installed in that place which you are talking about.
bhagwan69
Inventar
#10 erstellt: 04. Okt 2005, 10:43
Dear CHERAZ,

Hi !

You need to have the pre-outs on your current head unit;
This is not supplied.

Hence how will you connect the power amplifiers ?

You need to have 4 channels of amplification - 2 for the front & 2 for the rears.

Besides, if you stick to the Dynaudio Component Speakers [2 way] the tweeter is very very big [I am sorry for repeating my self]. It has a face plate diameter of 4". This cannot fit in the assembly that is provided. So you will have to put it on the front dash board near the wind shield of the car. This will look very un-pleasing to the eyes. Please do consider.

If you are going to install a DVD player in the car - then this car will obviously be chaufer driven [so that you can watch the movies]. If that is the case, then you may install the rear speakers behind you i.e. on the back tray. This will give you a very 'wierd' perspective of sound. Your ears point in the front & the sound will come from behind the ears. Not correct.

If I may humbly suggest - do the car up either for music or for movies - do not try and do both. None will turn out 'right'

Do consider what you need - before you take the plunge.

BTW - I forgot to mention Morel. There are very good component speakers from that company too that you can use.

The link is :-

http://www.eltimaudio.com/products/car.htm
cheraz
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#11 erstellt: 04. Okt 2005, 11:13
No chaufer for me. I was thinking on the lines on a front center monitor for the wifey and the kids on long outstation drives. But I see the tweeter problem.

Are you sure that the current player will not have pre out`s? That is a major problem. Or is it?

About the speakers for the DVD I could have a kind of switch over which then connects to my DVD Speakers.

Ok let me checj the other speakers you have mentioned. And by the way can you suggest anyone in Bangalore who could guide me on these?
ASR
Schaut ab und zu mal vorbei
#12 erstellt: 04. Okt 2005, 11:14
Would Blaupunkt be a good buy. Planning to go for Blaupunkt cd-mp3 player.
cheraz
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#13 erstellt: 05. Okt 2005, 09:30
Bagwan69, let me understand you carefully.

What you are saying is to keep the same head unit and go for 2 sets of 6" speakers (2 for front and 2 for back). That is fine.

Now about the Front monitor DVD, will I be able to connect a sub and center speakers and also use the 2 sets of stereo speakers? And how will all this sound?
cheraz
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#14 erstellt: 05. Okt 2005, 09:32
And tel me.......

Will I be able to connect a ipod adapter onto this headunit?
bhagwan69
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#15 erstellt: 06. Okt 2005, 06:06
Hi !

If you keep the same head unit - you will not be able to put the power amplifiers in. Without the power amps how will you drive your component speakers [with x-overs] ?
Component speakers by design are rather inefficient. They need a powerful amplifier to make the speakers come alive. The car's supplied head unit just will not have the 'juice' to make them 'sing'

If you want to put a DVD Player then a second head unit will surely have to be installed. So you are back to square 1.

An I-pod adapter can surely be fitted. 2 ways of doing it. Your installer will tell you how.

The other issue that intregues me a bit is [if i may ask]
In your house you use the 'entry level' Dynaudio Audiance Series 82 speaker & you want to install the 'top of the line' component speaker from Dynaudio that retail @ US $'s
1,650/-. I am a bit lost here.

http://69.93.14.227/index.cfm?fuseaction=page.display&page_id=14&mfg_account_ID=29&category_id=10

http://www.dynaudio.de/eng/auto/mobile/240eso.php

Not to forget the cost that would be involved in purchasing the power amplifiers that would be needed to drive those component speakers - Phoenix Gold - Audiobanh [mosfet series] Rockford Fosgate etc.

Please do consider.

All the best,

Regards,

BHAGWAN69

06.10.2005.
cheraz
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#16 erstellt: 06. Okt 2005, 08:08
Where are you getting the pricing from? I can pick up the Dyna`s 240 MKII @ USD 525.

And, because you said that the tweeters are very large and a little messy on the dash board, I am re-thinking about the dyna`s. I which case I might use the CDT,Alpine ...etc which may not require an amp.

About the DVD, as and when I install it, I will put it in that space below the dashboard that you recomended. At that time I will add the amp,sub,speakers which will only be connected to the dvd.

Am I right in my thinking?

......... By the way the Dyna`s Audience 82 are NO entry level speakers. They rip the pants of speakers 3 times the price. Come sometimes if you want and you can hear my system. Serious.
bhagwan69
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#17 erstellt: 07. Okt 2005, 06:15
Where are you getting the pricing from? I can pick up the Dyna`s 240 MKII @ USD 525. [CHERAZ]

The list price is US $'s 1,650/-
I do not know of any 525/- US $ price !!!!!
The link was attached in my earlier post.

......... By the way the Dyna`s Audience 82 are NO entry level speakers. They rip the pants of speakers 3 times the price. Come sometimes if you want and you can hear my system. Serious.

I am not sure, I might be wrong - please do correct me if I am making a mistake, however, in the hirachy of Dynaudio - the Audiance Series is the lowest, then comes Contour, then the Confidence, then the Temptation & finally the Master. I am not so sure if Dynaudio has ever made - manufactured any series below the 'Audience'. oops, I almost forgot the Focus Series - Just launched; in between the Audiance & Coutour Series. I am sorry !!

I would still like to learn - can I have the privilage of getting the chance to 'audition' your set up ? Do you stay in Bombay ? If so, we could meet up - as per your convenience of cause - and I could try and guage / evaluate the finner aspects of your illustrous 'set up' !!

Thanks,

BHAGWAN69
cheraz
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#18 erstellt: 07. Okt 2005, 09:24
You are sort of correct on the hirachy in the dyna line but not quite so. Let me remind you that in the Audience line itself there are the 42's,52`s,62`s,72`s. Also there are special edition 52e and 72e and right on top sits the 82's.

Unfortunately I live in Bangalore. But please do contact me if you come over. Would love to call you over.
cheraz
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#19 erstellt: 07. Okt 2005, 09:29
And I forgot, you have missed in main point, the 240MKII does not come with the famous ESOSTAR Tweeters. For that you will have to buy the 240Esostar which is priced about USD 1100. The dealer I was talking to did not have this with him.
abhi.pani
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#20 erstellt: 07. Okt 2005, 10:11
One thing that is special about Dynaudios is they dont make any mediocre sounding speakers. Its a rare attribute.
They do start as low as 45k (I think its Audience42) but even those are just fantastic. I have seen expensive brands who have speakers starting somewhere at 1.5 Lacs and they sound good because they are ought to sound good at that price...but then there are brands Who have speakers starting at entry level prices but are just mediocre, they start sounding good only when you opt for their high-end models. Dynaudio is not among them. So if you are going even a step up on the Dynaudio series you are actually climbing a stage in audio reproduction.
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