can ipod be connected to AVR?

Yes .may be through the analog input.may be u need some kind of an adapter.

Ofcourse !

Get a Mini Stereo (Walkman Earphone) to RCA cord.

The mini stereo gets connected to the Ipod Headphone socket.

The other end of the cord ... 2 RCAs get connected to the Left and Right channels of any unused ( eg AUX ) input of the AV Receiver.

cool.

But howz the quality of stereo sound of mp3 songs thru such a connection?

just wondering if its worth getting a 30 GB ipod and storing all my mp3 collection in it, so as to avoid the hassle of changing cds all the time. (ie, if the ipod remains connected to the AVR)

is the quality of sound as good as connecting an mp3 discman or music system to the AVR?

The iPod is capable of Very Good sound quality, almost certainly better than most Discmans..

The sound quality is however dependent on what you put in.

Most users rip mp-3s at 128K. I find this sound un-inspiring.

I have settled on a 192 K rip, as a good compromise betwewen file size and sound quality.

Personally, I suspect the new Video iPod and the nanos offer better sound than the earlier versions, even though some audio magazines seem to claim the oldest ipods are the best...

However, if you have an AVR, I presume that you already have a DVD player. Hence probably best to weigh the iPod sound vs the DVD player, rather than a discman !

A good Universal player could also be considered, since a 30GB Video Ipod will set you back Rs 17 K in the grey market.

The Ipod is a portable device, but since you want to use it permanantly connected to your rig, you could consider other options.

IMHO, the Ipod does not match the sound quality of a reasonale Universal player such as the (now discontinued, but still available new) Denon 2900.

The iPod is a GREAT way to conveniently consolidate your music collection, and play any song quickly and easily. However, when compared to a stand alone CD player, it wont match up.... if your system is revealing enough.

A member on this forum uses the ipod with an external DAC ( $$$$ ) and is Very Happy with the results.

I have a Zen Micro which delivers a decent Signal to noise ratio of 98db. When connected to my AVR it did not sound as good as the same MP3 song played through my DVD player(recorded on CD).

The difference I guess is that I have connected my DVD player to AVR digitally through optical fibre vs sending analog signal of Zen Micro

iPod i guess has a Signal to Noise ratio of 90db so it may sound worse than zen micro

I have a Zen Micro which delivers a decent Signal to noise ratio of 98db. When connected to my AVR it did not sound as good as the same MP3 song played through my DVD player(recorded on CD). iPod i guess has a Signal to Noise (S/N) ratio of 90db so it may sound worse than zen micro The difference I guess is that I have connected my DVD player to AVR digitally through optical fibre vs sending analog signal of Zen Micro

1. The difference between a 98 dB and 90 dB Signal to Noise ratio has little if ANY contibution to the preceived sound quality of an mp-3 player.

Like all Hi Fi and even Lo-Fi equipment, each sounds different. The sound difference is due to the different circuit design, components used, etc.

2. I personally prefer the iPod Sound to the Zen Micro...
I suspect that your thumbs down to the Zen Micro sound, is linked to this.


3. Also mp-3s sound generally Worse than CDs. A 128 KBps throws away 90% of the data of the original (wav) file present on a CD.

4. An optical interface converts Electrical signals to light to send them out, and then back from Light to sound at the receiver end. As you can expect, such an interface with 2 conversions will distort the signal MORE than a piece of wire that carrys an electrical signal from one poit to another....

5. Incidentally, I recall reading eons ago that most Audio Recordings haver S/N ratios on the Disc / CD or less than 60 dB. A Paul Simon CD, then maxed the benchmark at 70 dB S/N...

I am planning to go for a jukebox ....but not sure whether to go for the Ipod or the Creative Zen.
All shops stack Ipod and its accessories. Creative is very less.
Another thing is , the reviews in the net show a lot of complaints 'bout the ipod that it freezes, doesnt play etc.
is that true? or is it only a small part of the ipod owners facing complaints?
I am planning to take the ipod to India, where the warranty wont exist.
besides, i will be using the Ipod purely for music, and no photos or video clippings. whic is the model i shud go for? (i prefer a 20GB+ player)

Hi Juggy,

I have been using a 60 GB Video Ipod for over 2 months & It has never frozen.

I suspect the later models have ironed out bugs in earlier versions. Also, as I have said, I suspect the sound quality is superior, particularly the bass.

The clincher, to me is that the Video Ipods are Slimmer, and have a Longer battery life.

My thoughts... dont buy an obsolete model... opt for the 30 GB Video, IF you are SURE you dont need a 60 GB.

Certainly DONT rip songs down to 128 KBps, use ATLEAST 192 KBps mp-3, even though they will occupy more space on the HDD. The imporoved sound quality is well worth it.

i have connected my ipod mini to sonodyne av300r. i have to admit that volume was low to begin with. Then in iTunes, i adjusted the volume adjustment of all songs to about 90%. further i have to adjust my ipod volume. now the output is ok.

hi,
even i was planning to buy an ipod and wanted to get reviews on the same- fixed on the 30gb video one- its for 13.5k here in delhi/ grey-
i have about 2000 mp3's, even i have made it a point to rip at above 192 kbps- recently i downloaded an album using a p2p client at 540kbps !!!
i plan to buy the grifin itrip in some time and connect with my AVR and car stereo-
do u guys think a FM transmitter wud send poorer signals to the avr decreasing the final output???
basicaly i dont want to have 2 connection modes for my AVR and my car stereo-
ideas more than welcome-
r
anirvan

A direct connection thru a piece of wire will always provide better signal transfer than a FM link.

However, check with a friend who is actually using the grifin itrip FM Transmitter as a link.

Though I dont have any direct experience on this, I am told that Many FM Transmitters do not provide adequate signal inside the car.

Ofcourse any FM Transmitter will work well in an open room, beaming into your AVR.

The advantage of the FM Transmitter to yr AVR is that you can have the ipod in yr lap, change songs, volume, etc, from yr listning position.

Do share your results on the forum.

Cheers

It might be a matter of taste (or personal preferences), but it is clear that mp3 can never reach the quality of CD. Even if you rip with some 300k, it does not come close to the data rate of a standard CD (which is around 4200k).

I just attended a workshop concerning mp3 versus CD sound this weekend and the demonstration was simply overwhelming. An apple ipod (with mp3 files created at different data rates from 64k to more than 300k) was tested against a CD player.
In my opinion mp3 is a good solution for background music which does not require to much disk space, but if you want to hear music at a high quality level CD is the way to go.

By the way, the ipod at the workshop was connected to the equipment via an apple docking station.

Regards Ralf

it is clear that mp3 can never reach the quality of CD. Even if you rip with some 300k, it does not come close to the data rate of a standard CD (which is around 4200k).

I agree with you.

I have personally found mp-3 tracks OK for listning on Headphones.

However, when I connect my iPod to my stereo system, it is not quite so acceptable....

Amp_Nut schrieb:

it is clear that mp3 can never reach the quality of CD. Even if you rip with some 300k, it does not come close to the data rate of a standard CD (which is around 4200k). I agree with you. I have personally found mp-3 tracks OK for listning on Headphones. However, when I connect my iPod to my stereo system, it is not quite so acceptable....

Yes its true that its almost impossible to get EXACT CD quality sound on a mp3 but its also true that if you rip your CDs with high quality software like CDex with Lame Encoder, you would be surprised to see the quality of the mp3 (in case you have not used this software before). Most people use Musicmatch or Jetaudio to directly rip from the CD, they really produce very poor quality mp3s and thats one of the reasons why mp3 is not popular among audiophiles.

My question is:
1. Is apple lossless significantly better than mp3 ?
2. I am also planning to get a mp3 player from US. I have shortlisted Creative Zen Touch, mainly because of two reasons
a) It has got excellent reviews for its sound quality
b) I am getting a 20GB player for $180.

Since I am mainly going to use it for music (no video or photo for me) so I am looking for the best in SQ. Do let me know your views regarding this player.
An iPod video 30gb is around $300 in US which looks too expensive to my pocket.

Let me know what you guys feel. So many of you must be having mp3 players...what say you ?

BTW do we get creative zen players in India ?