What is impedance and ohms?

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SUNILYO
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#1 erstellt: 03. Jul 2006, 13:55
Hi all

Every now and then i come across terms 'Impedance' and 'ohms'.

What are they? and how are they important?

Secondly can i attach a speaker whose maximum output is 150 RMS @ 8 ohms with a reciever that delivers 130/W per channel @ 6 ohms.

Will the mismatch cause any kind of sound degradation, distortion or damage to the speaker or reciever.

thanks
kspv
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#2 erstellt: 03. Jul 2006, 18:12
Sunil,

I suggest you do some reading. There are beautiful websites on the net to help the starters. For example, you may go through the contents, and the links supplied thereof, of the following website.

http://www.epanorama.net/links/audiohifi.html

Here is a WhatHifi article about impedence:

http://www.whathifi....D=34&newssectionID=3

The website of Goodsound also carries the "Goodsound Guide", to help you understand the fundamentals.

The answer to the second part of your question is, the set up you described is quite O.K., and is not going to damage your speakers or amplifier.
Amp_Nut
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#3 erstellt: 04. Jul 2006, 14:49


can i attach a speaker whose maximum output is 150 RMS @ 8 ohms with a reciever that delivers 130/W per channel @ 6 ohms.

Will the mismatch cause any kind of sound degradation, distortion or damage to the speaker or reciever.



A Higher Impedance speaker ( or Any Higher Impedance Load ) draws LESS current than a lower impedance load.

Hence if your amp is Comfortable / specified to drive a 6 ohm load, it will More Comfortably drive an 8 Ohm load.

Only it will deliver a slightly lower power into the 8 ohm load than into the 6 Ohm load.

However dont worry about the lower power... 130 watts into 6 Ohms translates into 97 Watts into 8 Ohms.... generally more than enough for most applications..
Amp_Nut
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#4 erstellt: 05. Jul 2006, 06:00



Every now and then i come across terms 'Impedance' and 'ohms'.

What are they? and how are they important?









The most Basic & Important Rule in Electrical & Electronic circuits is OHMS LAW.

It simply states that an Electrical Voltage ( or Pressure ) applied accross a Resistor = The current flowing thru the resistor Multiplied by the Resistance of the resistor

or

V= IxR

AN ANALOGY
To get a better feel for this, consider Water ( ie Current ) flowing thru a Pipe ( The resistor)

The Difference in Water Pressure accross 2 ends of the pipe = The rate of water flowing thru the pipe, Multiplied by the Resistance of the pipe to the flow of water.

A thin pipe will have a Higher Resistance than a Fat pipe. Also a longer pipe will have a higher resistance than a similar diameter shorter pipe.

That is RESISTANCE.

Similarly, a Speaker presents Resistance ( or Impedance ... will come to that later ) to current being push into it, by the amplifier.

Higher the resistance of the speaker, the less current it will accept, given a fixed Voltage accross it.


IMPEDANCE
Now suppose the pipe was not a metal pipe, but made of soft rubber, like a baloon. As water flows into the baloon, the baloon Expands, and does not build up proportionate pressure accross the 2 ends of the Baloon pipe.

Ofcourse as the baloon fills up, the water pressure across the baloon will also build up, but there is a TIME LAG BETWEEN THE FLOW OF WATER AND THE PRESSURE BUILD UP, in a baloon pipe, unlike a normal pipe..

The baloon pipe is like an Impedance.


RESISTANCE & IMPEDANCE
Resistance & Impedance are EXACTLY THE SAME for Direct Current (DC).

They are different ONLY for AC. ALL MUSIC SIGNALS ARE AC !


If I have not already lost you, and you have any queries, let me know....


Cheers
SUNILYO
Stammgast
#5 erstellt: 06. Jul 2006, 04:47
Thanks Amp nut

That indeed was very informative. Now i understand better the concept of ohms.

Just one more i would request. You have already given me the formula but if you could tell how you calculated 97 watts into 8 ohms from 130 watts into 6 ohms as this will help me in choosing the right kind of speakers.

Does it vary from brand to brand or they all follow the same rule (which i guess they do).
abhi.pani
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#6 erstellt: 06. Jul 2006, 05:25
Buddy Sunil,
For a HT, this kind of precise matching is not so relevant.
All thats relevant is whether you like the sound, the effect etc... Mostly non of the commercial AVRs have the specs right, all those wattage specs are actually blown up to attract consumers. I would be surprised if these AVRs (Yamaha, Denon, Onkyo etc) rated at 130 rms watts per channel can actually deliver more than 50 watts per channel. So basically you can go ahead with any speaker that can handle more than 40 Watts RMS. All you have to actually see is the tonality of the speakers and its voicing when matched to a particular AVR.
Not to mention that Center and front channels should be from the same family of speakers.
Amp_Nut
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#7 erstellt: 06. Jul 2006, 08:29
There are 3 formulae for power :

Power (P) = Voltage (V) x Current (I)

or

P= VxV Divide By R

Or

P = IxIxR

Actually, the second and 3rd Formulae are the first, with either V or I substituted ( from Ohms law) in terms of other variables.

Now the calculation:
You said your Amplifier was rated as 130 Watts into 6 Ohms.

Using P= VxV / R
130 = VxV /6

130x6 = VxV or V = 27.9 Volts

If this same voltage was applied across an 8 ohm speaker,

P = 27.9 x 27.9 / 8

P= 97.499 Watts.

Note: A 8 ohm speaker will draw LESS current than a 6 Ohm speaker ( ie a lighter load ). Hence you can Assume that the Voltage it creates accross a 6 Ohm speaker will also be created accross an 8 Ohm speaker.

You CANT ass-u-me that the 6 ohm voltage will be supported accross a 4 Ohm speaker.

Even the Krell Integrated Amp cant do that !
SUNILYO
Stammgast
#8 erstellt: 06. Jul 2006, 09:20
Thanks Amp_nut

P and R is clear to me. But V part isnt. I mean how did you come to know that it was 27.9 and not something else. did you calculate that also ???.
SUNILYO
Stammgast
#9 erstellt: 06. Jul 2006, 09:23
Hey Amp Nut

sorry for the previous post.

i got it. Just missed that part where you have calculated V also.

Thanks Amp
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