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nautilus_d
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#1 erstellt: 28. Jun 2009, 12:31
Hello Friends,

I am on the verge of narrowing down to the Cadence VA1 HP amp + Arista speakers for my first ever audio-phile setup. I love the sound.

Its a lot of money and this is going to be pretty much for keeps....let say 10 years atleast.
This also will be my first experience with Valve amps and hybrid ESLs. I have read thru as much info I could on the setup..and its all good, but I could not find much written about the after sales aspect ( complaints?)

Long term ( proud) owners / former owners of this setup...please advise on the long term performance / durability / support from Cadence etc. Like I mentioned, its a lot of money, and I am hoping this is a right choice given the fact there will not be any upgrades for a very very long time!!!
Manek
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#2 erstellt: 28. Jun 2009, 14:16
Apart from probably tightening the electrostatic diaphram after 6-7 yrs, - don't see much.

I have owned their bookshelves for now 5 years and they are still going strong.

Have seen their speakers and amp being owned for a long time(over 7+years) without a hitch.

Its a delightfull combo and should serve you well. Which city are you based in ?

Manek
Arj
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#3 erstellt: 28. Jun 2009, 14:35
if you have heard the combo and like it , you should go with it.
BTW How much are you paying for the combo ? we may be able to suggest at least equivalent combos which you can audition at least from a view of comparing .

on the whole cadence is a really good setup..especially the ARCA. From what i have heard (I have never heard the Cadence Amp) you do have better amplification options
nautilus_d
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#4 erstellt: 28. Jun 2009, 15:24
Hello Manek,

I am in Bangalore....and in touch with Jochen, and have also visited his place to audition. Thanks for the info. Have you heard of any issues with the tubes going bust, reverse charge damaging internal circuitry etc etc..

Jochen has been a great help, though I have to mention here , I am not a great fan of Indian companies (not audio, mostly auto) in terms of during sales /aftersales service / support...... Dealers cant do much if the parent company is not receptive...know what I mean?

Arj, I have FALLEN IN LOVE with the Cadence setup. I have auditioned the Primare / Dynaudio..a very expensive Acoustic Portait setup..as well as the Plinius/ Cyrus with ProAC. Do let me know if there is anything else I could try out.

Room size about 250 sq ft. Choice of music mostly classic rock...read Lynyrd skynrd, Allman brothers, Crosby Stills Nash, Steely Dan, Dylan, Floyd,...etc etc. Nothing very heavy. Slowly but surely venturing into Jazz as well.

The cadence should cost me 3 lac change (!!!!)..If I can get a good CDP and cabling built into that cost or even maybe half that price..I am all ears!

Thanks guys!
maxcoutinho
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#5 erstellt: 28. Jun 2009, 16:59
Hello Nautilus,

I have used Cadence Amp and ElectroStats( Ameya, Anina, Arista as well as Avitas ) for over 11 years now with the Avitas being my personal favorite. Except for a couple of startup hitches, they all played Great Guns as long as I had them so no worries.

I had absolutely no challenges with their AfterSales service which was extremely prompt. Of course being in Pune helps I guess.

All the best with your new setup.

Max
bhagwan69
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#6 erstellt: 28. Jun 2009, 17:00


I use Cadence Canasya Amplifiers.
Have used them from April onwards.
Sounds good to my ears.....

Jochen is a 'nice' person & rather helpful / forthcoming..
You will need a good CD Player and cables to complete your set....

All the Best !

Enjoy your music...
Arj
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#7 erstellt: 28. Jun 2009, 17:01

nautilus_d schrieb:


Arj, I have FALLEN IN LOVE with the Cadence setup.


The cadence should cost me 3 lac change (!!!!)



Go with your heart ! and you will not regret it as long as you have done your due diligence. it is when you get too practical that you end up with a system which you will want to upgrade. Jochen, from what I have heard is extremely fair and knowledgeable.
But since you have heard other systems as well you should be ok.

I dont think you need to worry about tubes bursting etc. Am sure cadence will cover any warranty issue even in case it occurs



nautilus_d schrieb:

..If I can get a good CDP and cabling built into that cost or even maybe half that price..I am all ears!

Thanks guys!

Maybe Jochen can help you out with some starter cables that gel with your system. Getting the right cable will take much more time ..but the path to getting it is also a nice experience

Regarding the Source, for that setup you will need to plan out at for a really good cdp to do it justice. One of the members Abhi pani had a Bluenote stibbert for sale although this does not have the standard isolation which is built into the model you may get a good deal there..


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nautilus_d
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#8 erstellt: 29. Jun 2009, 17:14
I had to log off to watch the cricket( why??) yesterday..

Thanks everybody! Comments are very reassuring..I will keep you guys posted when i finally get the stuff. Deadline for the Amp +CDP Nov 09 ( that will drive my Polks for the timebeing) and the Magnificient Aristas will be sometime before may 09.

Anyone got ideas on "How to rob a bank" until then..let me know
Manek
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#9 erstellt: 29. Jun 2009, 19:20
I haven't heard of tubes bursting in the va.
Get a good quad of mordern production tubes.

Jochen is a fair guy and straight forward.

Many will pull that brand down only cuase they can't sell their products any other way....having the company based in india is a boon according to me.

Manek
bombaywalla
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#10 erstellt: 29. Jun 2009, 19:34

nautilus_d schrieb:
I had to log off to watch the cricket( why??) yesterday..


you NEED to get your priorities straight!!


nautilus_d schrieb:

Thanks everybody! Comments are very reassuring..I will keep you guys posted when i finally get the stuff. Deadline for the Amp +CDP Nov 09 ( that will drive my Polks for the timebeing) and the Magnificient Aristas will be sometime before may 09.

I *think* that you mean May 2010??



Anyone got ideas on "How to rob a bank" until then..let me know :cut

yes, watch the Hollywood movie "Inside Man" to get some ideas.

BTW, congrats on taking that 1st step into becoming an audiofool, err........... audiophile & joining all of us who have well flown over the Cuckoo's nest.

Your selections are good - the VA-1 leaves much to be desired when it comes to listening to serious music esp. rock, blues & large orchestral classical works but, nevertheless, it is a step in the correct direction when it comes to enjoying your music playback.
I cannot think of anyone who bought equipment that could reproduce a live performance in his/her living room the 1st time around. Upgrading/moving to other audio equipment is a journey & you have taken the 1st step.
Enjoy the music playback from your purchases.
nautilus_d
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#11 erstellt: 29. Jun 2009, 20:12
Your selections are good - the VA-1 leaves much to be desired when it comes to listening to serious music esp. rock, blues & large orchestral classical works but, nevertheless, it is a step in the correct direction when it comes to enjoying your music playback.

******* I mentioned the setups I have already auditioned before narrowing on the cadence. Let me know if there is / are anything else I could try listen to in bangalore, u think is more suited to rock and blues, price not a factor.
bhagwan69
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#12 erstellt: 30. Jun 2009, 07:26

nautilus_d schrieb:
Let me know if there is / are anything else I could try listen to in bangalore, u think is more suited to rock and blues,


Prithvi;
Absolute Phase

You may want to call & pay him a visit.

I like this a lot for rock :-
http://www.jbl.com/h...=USA&cat=BFS&ser=PTS

for a higher budget :-
http://www.jbl.com/home/products/product_detail.aspx?prod=1000 ARRAY BG&Language=ENG&Country=US&Region=USA&cat=BFS&ser=PTS

Consuder.

Sold in India. I am sure they have a store in Bangalore...
SWITCH-IT-ON
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#13 erstellt: 30. Jun 2009, 09:35
Dear Sir,

I have a two month old, Dynaudio Confidence C1 bookshelf for sale. You could build a setup around it. Just my suggestion.
nautilus_d
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#14 erstellt: 30. Jun 2009, 09:39

bhagwan69 schrieb:

nautilus_d schrieb:
Let me know if there is / are anything else I could try listen to in bangalore, u think is more suited to rock and blues,


Prithvi;
Absolute Phase

You may want to call & pay him a visit.

In fact Absolute phase happens to be a second choice. I have been to Prithvi's place earlier..I think his stuff is amazing. Spent close to 5 hrs with him. I auditioned two setups..( apart from his own personal set..i forget the valve amp..The speakers were the rythm Sadhana which he was still burning in)
The first one was with a Cyrus CDP / Plinius AMP / ProAC studio 140s..then the Cyrus CDP / Cyrus integrated amp / ProAC studios and then the ProAC response bookshelves. Didnt audition the Linn setup though...maybe the next time

Sonically I still preferred the Cadence setup..though I did mention to Prithvi that maybe a slightly bigger room and better speaker placements / sound imaging, would have made the experience more enjoyable than it already was. Space being the limitation now, speakers were barely inches away from the wall. Otherwise his wares are really good.

I like this a lot for rock :-
http://www.jbl.com/h...=USA&cat=BFS&ser=PTS

for a higher budget :-
http://www.jbl.com/home/products/product_detail.aspx?prod=1000 ARRAY BG&Language=ENG&Country=US&Region=USA&cat=BFS&ser=PTS

I'll look it up..Do you know if they operate out of bangalore? tried googling it.

Consuder.

Sold in India. I am sure they have a store in Bangalore...
bhagwan69
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#15 erstellt: 30. Jun 2009, 17:46

SWITCH-IT-ON schrieb:
Dear Sir,

I have a two month old, Dynaudio Confidence C1 bookshelf for sale. You could build a setup around it. Just my suggestion.


Super suggestion;
However, I am not so sure if it will work for this gentleman.
The C1 may be 'too evolved' a speaker for someone that is starting out.
Besides not only is the speaker expensive @ 6 K US $'s but the electronics & cables to go with it will take the set up cost to 7 lacs. I am not too sure about the budget either.

None the less it is a good 'serious' speaker from a 'respectable' audio house.

All the Best with your sale !!

Is Abhi Pani considering it ? may be a 'great' upgrade for him - symphonic line amps will drive them well !!
Kamal
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#16 erstellt: 30. Jun 2009, 17:59
Hi Nautilus,congrats on your choice.
I'll just add a couple of things to what the very experienced members have written abt the Cadence gear.
Manek had stated that the electrostatic Panels may need tightening after a few years.
That was true with the earler panel material.Now Cadence uses Indium coated ES panels which would not need any such servicing.
You had talked of tubes going bust to which there were respones that tubes do not "burst".
I think that what you had meant was abt tubes going bad, not exploding.
Tubes can go bad but they are pretty rugged.
If a tube fails, all you have to do is call Cadence & they'll fly a replacement immdtly-they keep sufficient stocks.
However, if you wish to save money(Cadence's charges are a bit on the higher side),then maybe you could get someone to bring in a spare set of Sovtek EL34 Winged C tubes, which is what Cadence uses.
Re the CD player,when I had asked Mr Shirke for a recommendation to pair with the Amayas/VA-1, he had mentioned Marantz 7001 KI as quite a good CDP for its cost.
And,I have not noticed any limitation as such re the Amaya/VA-1 or the Arista/VA-1 combo for listening to Jazz/Western Classical/Classic rock over many listening sessions; as a matter of fact the combo brings out the soundstage width/depth/layering of the instruments' positions particularly well.
I wish you well in your choice & enjoyment of music
Manek
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#17 erstellt: 30. Jun 2009, 18:40
Kamal

Thanks for the reminder, the new panel membrane. Yes they should last long.

Manek
Arj
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#18 erstellt: 01. Jul 2009, 05:35

Kamal schrieb:

However, if you wish to save money(Cadence's charges are a bit on the higher side),then maybe you could get someone to bring in a spare set of Sovtek EL34 Winged C tubes, which is what Cadence uses.

excellent suggestion. Kamalji,I think you meant Svetlana Winged C.
nautilus_d
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#19 erstellt: 01. Jul 2009, 19:44
I dont think I havent been communicating well. sorry. How do you guys send inserts with original post in boxes? Never mind.

Kamal..I actually did mean the tubes going bad, reckon they have a life of about 5K hrs otherwise

about the Marantz 7001 K1, didnt find it on the website..will look up local distributers / dealers etc.

Thanks again!
bhagwan69
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#20 erstellt: 02. Jul 2009, 03:13
Did you listen to the JBL's ?
They really play 'rock' rather well...
bombaywalla
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#21 erstellt: 02. Jul 2009, 03:17

And,I have not noticed any limitation as such re the Amaya/VA-1 or the Arista/VA-1 combo for listening to Jazz/Western Classical/Classic rock over many listening sessions;


I really need to listen to your setup to alter my VA-1 experience thus far!
Krish
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#22 erstellt: 02. Jul 2009, 06:04
Try playing Exit, Stage Left by Rush on the Electrostats. I have,on the Avitas.

The poor skrs just did not know what to make of Rush.It sounded positively weird.Like a ageing Jazz trio playing a relaxed set.

Having said that the electrostatic panels are very fast, trasparent and delicate.They just fail to make sense of dense, compressed stuff.

Just my two bits.
square_wave
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#23 erstellt: 02. Jul 2009, 07:16

Krish schrieb:
Try playing Exit, Stage Left by Rush on the Electrostats. I have,on the Avitas.

The poor skrs just did not know what to make of Rush.It sounded positively weird.Like a ageing Jazz trio playing a relaxed set.

Having said that the electrostatic panels are very fast, trasparent and delicate.They just fail to make sense of dense, compressed stuff.

Just my two bits.


Is this a problem only with compressed stuff ?
Western classical can be quite dense and the panels are quite a favorite with W-Classical lovers.
One thing I have noticed with electrostatic panels is that the soundstage is laid back and wide hence a forward sounding speaker can appear more dynamic with rock. Is this the case ?
Did you hear the avita with the VA-1 when you played Rush ?
INMHO, the VA-1 is not the ideal with these speakers. They lack bottom end control and drive to make any sense of rock. They also add to the already laid back nature of the loudspeaker which is not a good thing when you do rock.


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Krish
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#24 erstellt: 02. Jul 2009, 07:29

square_wave schrieb:

Krish schrieb:
Try playing Exit, Stage Left by Rush on the Electrostats. I have,on the Avitas.

The poor skrs just did not know what to make of Rush.It sounded positively weird.Like a ageing Jazz trio playing a relaxed set.

Having said that the electrostatic panels are very fast, trasparent and delicate.They just fail to make sense of dense, compressed stuff.

Just my two bits.


Is this a problem only with compressed stuff ?
Western classical can be quite dense and the panels are quite a favorite with W-Classical lovers.
One thing I have noticed with electrostatic panels is that the soundstage is laid back and wide hence a forward sounding speaker can appear more dynamic with rock. Is this the case ?
Did you hear the avita with the VA-1 when you played Rush ?
INMHO, the VA-1 is not the ideal with these speakers. They lack bottom end control and drive to make any sense of rock. They also add to the already laid back nature of the loudspeaker which is not a good thing when you do rock.


I auditioned the Avitas in a bi-amp config with my kandy int + kandy pwr amps

I also did play some W Classical - Otto Klemperer (can't remember the exact recording though) and it sounded fine.

It's when you throw stuff like Rush, Badmarsh & Sri ( if any of you have heard them), U Srinvas + Micheal Brook album- Dream, Hellborg/sipe/lane, grunge etc is when these spkrs come apart.

Cheers,
K
abhi.pani
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#25 erstellt: 02. Jul 2009, 10:15

Krish schrieb:

It's when you throw stuff like Rush, Badmarsh & Sri ( if any of you have heard them), U Srinvas + Micheal Brook album- Dream, Hellborg/sipe/lane, grunge etc is when these spkrs come apart.

Cheers,
K


Forget about Avitas...not even the Arcas do it.
I do not know why. But someone was saying that an Amaya does it...I again dont know why .

But all said and done, when they do, they do it wonderfully well .
reignofchaos
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#26 erstellt: 02. Jul 2009, 17:51

abhi.pani schrieb:

Krish schrieb:

It's when you throw stuff like Rush, Badmarsh & Sri ( if any of you have heard them), U Srinvas + Micheal Brook album- Dream, Hellborg/sipe/lane, grunge etc is when these spkrs come apart.

Cheers,
K


Forget about Avitas...not even the Arcas do it.
I do not know why. But someone was saying that an Amaya does it...I again dont know why .

But all said and done, when they do, they do it wonderfully well .


Totally agree with Abhi here - for Jazz and Classical, there's very little even at twice the price of the Cadence electrostats that can match it for overall involvement. However rock is their weakest point - they just don't feel dynamic enough in rock. Its as if the speaker is saying - Try as much as you like, I'm not singing your song
square_wave
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#27 erstellt: 03. Jul 2009, 06:09
Okay Guys, I am going to stick my neck out here I have not checked out the cadence with rock, so this is just a question to all who have checked them out.

Western classical is more dynamic than rock any day. Most of the western classical recordings have more dynamic range than most rock recordings. For example the Tchaikovsky 1812 overture. I can state more such examples.
Some of the newer Jazz recordings have far more dynamic range and snap than any rock recordings out there.

If any speaker does the classical genre well, it means the speakers is capable of immense dynamics.Speakers which can do classical are designed to caress you with the mellow musical nuances (capable of micro dynamics) and then the next minute blow yours senses with explosive crescendos (capable of macro dynamics).
Most rock is compressed dynamics + dense.

So is this an issue with Dynamics or inability of the panels to do compressed dynamics which is the case with rock ? I am a listener of both genre hence the question.


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abhi.pani
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#28 erstellt: 03. Jul 2009, 06:52
Its definitely not the question of dynamics....Cadence have a wide dynamic range and in fact, when I play well recorded Rock, it does it!!!!!
It played Metallica S&M better than anywhere I have heard. It does Dire Straits "Sultans of Swing" but won't do "Brothers in Arms" !! Man its so wierd.....but its like that. The speaker is unpredictable with Rock...dont ask me why .


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sivat
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#29 erstellt: 03. Jul 2009, 07:01
Why are you folks - confusing - the individual who wants to procure the cadence speakers.

He has heard and he likes it. Ofcouse ..no speaker is perfect...but what matters is that you should like the sound.

The upgrade bug will bite anyone who falls into same trap that we all have fallen....and as an audiophile "learns".....he will upgrade further.

We always paid a price(the cost of selling and upgrading) to "learn" .... is'nt it ?....there is going to be no exceptions to that rule
abhi.pani
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#30 erstellt: 03. Jul 2009, 09:14

sivat schrieb:
Why are you folks - confusing - the individual who wants to procure the cadence speakers.

He has heard and he likes it. Ofcouse ..no speaker is perfect...but what matters is that you should like the sound.

The upgrade bug will bite anyone who falls into same trap that we all have fallen....and as an audiophile "learns".....he will upgrade further.

We always paid a price(the cost of selling and upgrading) to "learn" .... is'nt it ?....there is going to be no exceptions to that rule ;)


Yes, I agree!!
Cadence make one of the best speakers around that is the reason you do not see many people move out of the Cadence line once they own one. That is a rare scene. Credit goes to Cadence !!
Nautilus Bhai...great choice!! Please dont get deterred by our discussions, we do it because it is the best thing we like to do after music .


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nautilus_d
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#31 erstellt: 03. Jul 2009, 19:16
Everybody,

I was actually enjoying the discussion before the focus shifted back. This has been by far the most intellectual 'subjective' forum I have been a part of..and kudos to all you junta!

I have to admit...I know upgrading is inevitable( I have a Denon + Polk setup as we speak for the last couple of years), comparing Cadence to the others I have heard, I figured it would take me a longer while to get to a point when I grow out of it, and get hooked on to something new. Other than that, one of the other things ( apart from the sonic stuff) I liked was the fact that, even if i wasnt exactly at the claimed sweet spot, the sound pretty much filled the whole room.

I will be visiting Jochen as many times as I can until I make my purchase, and I am still open to as many options as possible..( Didnt find the JBL in Bangalore though) I will try Brother in Arms the next time as well.

Thank you all!
reignofchaos
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#32 erstellt: 03. Jul 2009, 21:51

nautilus_d schrieb:
Everybody,

I was actually enjoying the discussion before the focus shifted back. This has been by far the most intellectual 'subjective' forum I have been a part of..and kudos to all you junta!

I have to admit...I know upgrading is inevitable( I have a Denon + Polk setup as we speak for the last couple of years), comparing Cadence to the others I have heard, I figured it would take me a longer while to get to a point when I grow out of it, and get hooked on to something new. Other than that, one of the other things ( apart from the sonic stuff) I liked was the fact that, even if i wasnt exactly at the claimed sweet spot, the sound pretty much filled the whole room.

I will be visiting Jochen as many times as I can until I make my purchase, and I am still open to as many options as possible..( Didnt find the JBL in Bangalore though) I will try Brother in Arms the next time as well.

Thank you all!


I guess you should also check Absolute Phase(Proac, Linn etc) and ARN(Usher, EP, Odyssey, Shindo, Leben etc) before deciding. There's the Dyn/Plinius/Primare dealer worth checking too on St Marks Road. (Forgot his shop name)
Krish
Stammgast
#33 erstellt: 04. Jul 2009, 18:54

reignofchaos schrieb:

nautilus_d schrieb:
Everybody,

I was actually enjoying the discussion before the focus shifted back. This has been by far the most intellectual 'subjective' forum I have been a part of..and kudos to all you junta!

I have to admit...I know upgrading is inevitable( I have a Denon + Polk setup as we speak for the last couple of years), comparing Cadence to the others I have heard, I figured it would take me a longer while to get to a point when I grow out of it, and get hooked on to something new. Other than that, one of the other things ( apart from the sonic stuff) I liked was the fact that, even if i wasnt exactly at the claimed sweet spot, the sound pretty much filled the whole room.

I will be visiting Jochen as many times as I can until I make my purchase, and I am still open to as many options as possible..( Didnt find the JBL in Bangalore though) I will try Brother in Arms the next time as well.

Thank you all!


I guess you should also check Absolute Phase(Proac, Linn etc) and ARN(Usher, EP, Odyssey, Shindo, Leben etc) before deciding. There's the Dyn/Plinius/Primare dealer worth checking too on St Marks Road. (Forgot his shop name)


If you are really sure that Cadence or what ever system you finally choose ends up doing justice ( engages the soul and mind) to the kind of music you listen to, go for it.

To be really, really convinced that you have made the right choice, hear a few other setups. While you are at it do give the Mini Dancers a listen.Perhaps with the Jaton Operettas and the Leben mebbe.

...enjoy the process and the purchase and do tell us what you finally bought.

Krish
Stammgast
#34 erstellt: 04. Jul 2009, 19:05

square_wave schrieb:
Okay Guys, I am going to stick my neck out here I have not checked out the cadence with rock, so this is just a question to all who have checked them out.

Western classical is more dynamic than rock any day. Most of the western classical recordings have more dynamic range than most rock recordings. For example the Tchaikovsky 1812 overture. I can state more such examples.
Some of the newer Jazz recordings have far more dynamic range and snap than any rock recordings out there.

If any speaker does the classical genre well, it means the speakers is capable of immense dynamics.Speakers which can do classical are designed to caress you with the mellow musical nuances (capable of micro dynamics) and then the next minute blow yours senses with explosive crescendos (capable of macro dynamics).
Most rock is compressed dynamics + dense.

So is this an issue with Dynamics or inability of the panels to do compressed dynamics which is the case with rock ? I am a listener of both genre hence the question.


Interesting question! That is what I had also assumed all along.If the equipment in question can do the 1812 overturee or the Ride of the Valkyries, it should do rock as well.

No so!

Perhaps the Avitas are just too couth and will not stoop down to deliver the snarl, slam and bite required for certain genres of music

Which is fine. What they do, they do really well.
Manek
Inventar
#35 erstellt: 04. Jul 2009, 19:26
Well I just checked out the avitas again this eve.

I must say, they still are my fav's. :-)

Btw I also did hear entry level gamut speakers. Two way floorstander for 96k and bookshelf for 45k. Looked like peerless(india) drivers and a cabinet that needs a lot of bracing. Sound was as expected, not worth the money and quite ordinary, a bit coarse and no soundstage/image to talk about. I was quite aghast at what they had made. Proper bracing could do the peerless drivers some justice.The label at the back read "made in denmark".

Made me realise the value of the good decision I made to buy the arita's when I did.

Manek
Kamal
Stammgast
#36 erstellt: 04. Jul 2009, 19:34

Krish schrieb:

square_wave schrieb:
Okay Guys, I am going to stick my neck out here I have not checked out the cadence with rock, so this is just a question to all who have checked them out.

Western classical is more dynamic than rock any day. Most of the western classical recordings have more dynamic range than most rock recordings. For example the Tchaikovsky 1812 overture. I can state more such examples.
Some of the newer Jazz recordings have far more dynamic range and snap than any rock recordings out there.

If any speaker does the classical genre well, it means the speakers is capable of immense dynamics.Speakers which can do classical are designed to caress you with the mellow musical nuances (capable of micro dynamics) and then the next minute blow yours senses with explosive crescendos (capable of macro dynamics).
Most rock is compressed dynamics + dense.

So is this an issue with Dynamics or inability of the panels to do compressed dynamics which is the case with rock ? I am a listener of both genre hence the question.


Interesting question! That is what I had also assumed all along.If the equipment in question can do the 1812 overturee or the Ride of the Valkyries, it should do rock as well.

No so!

Perhaps the Avitas are just too couth and will not stoop down to deliver the snarl, slam and bite required for certain genres of music

Which is fine. What they do, they do really well.

Well, I personally have heard the Amaya/VA-1 combo for a few hundred hours with a wide variety of music & I did'nt come away with a feeling of disappointment ever.
The Amayas are an excellent set of spks & such is their level of transparency & revealing nature that you can easily make out shortcomings in recordings.Hence compressed recordings will sound the way they are, i.e flat & uninspiring & excellent recordings will uplift you with their magic.
This is true of all spkrs which are recognised as excellent, & Amayas/Aristas are certainly in that category, IMHO.
I do agree that the VA-1's do not belong to the same level but they pair very well with the Cadence ES line of spkrs, so they form a very musically satisfying pair.
I do know that they Canasyas would take the setup to a whole new level but they ARE fairly expensive-
Nautilus, perhaps you could check with Mr Ambalavanam, Prodn Mgr of Cadence whether it would be poss for them to provide you with a refurbished Canasya- the chances are slim but no harm giving him a call.
AND, go with your heart.
bhagwan69
Inventar
#37 erstellt: 05. Jul 2009, 09:29

Manek schrieb:
Btw I also did hear entry level gamut speakers. Two way floorstander for 96k and bookshelf for 45k. Looked like peerless(india) drivers and a cabinet that needs a lot of bracing. Sound was as expected, not worth the money and quite ordinary, a bit coarse and no soundstage/image to talk about. I was quite aghast at what they had made. Proper bracing could do the peerless drivers some justice.The label at the back read "made in denmark".


Sir,

May I ask for details of what you heard ?
GamuT Phi was it ?
Its retail prices are :-

Phi Series:
Real wood veneered on High Pressure MDF, High Quality Semi Gloss Laquer.
Available in White, Black, Figured Sycamore, Bubinga, Zebrano, and Santos 1 pair
Phi 3 bookshelf 2 way, Lacquer 1.698
Phi 3 bookshelf 2 way, Wood veneer 1.798
Phi 5 floorstanding, 3 way, Lacquer 3.898
Phi 5 floorstanding, 3 way, Wood veneer 4.098
Phi 7 floorstanding, 3 way, Lacquer 5.098
Phi 7 floorstanding, 3 way, Wood veneer 5.298

The 'cheapest' book shelf is around 1.25 lacs.
So 45K has me fluxed.
I know the prices since GamuT used to be my 'client'
They no longer 'stock' or 'demo' through me, but would just like to know what you heard, where you heard, what was the chain ? Was it well set up ?

Thanks,

p.s. I do not 'support' or 'endorse' GamuT.
This is just for pure information.
bhagwan69
Inventar
#38 erstellt: 05. Jul 2009, 09:40

Nautilus, perhaps you could check with Mr Ambalavanam, Prodn Mgr of Cadence whether it would be poss for them to provide you with a refurbished Canasya - the chances are slim but no harm giving him a call.


Are you looking for a Canasya ?
I never knew that.....
If so, do p.m. me.
I have a 2 month old pair for sale.
Top spec. New Tubes, Siltech Cables [inside].
The Best that Cadence has made.
New amp is Rs. 600/- K + VAT.
I could 'do a lot' for you...

reignofchaos
Stammgast
#39 erstellt: 05. Jul 2009, 09:41

Manek schrieb:
Well I just checked out the avitas again this eve.

I must say, they still are my fav's. :-)

Btw I also did hear entry level gamut speakers. Two way floorstander for 96k and bookshelf for 45k. Looked like peerless(india) drivers and a cabinet that needs a lot of bracing. Sound was as expected, not worth the money and quite ordinary, a bit coarse and no soundstage/image to talk about. I was quite aghast at what they had made. Proper bracing could do the peerless drivers some justice.The label at the back read "made in denmark".

Made me realise the value of the good decision I made to buy the arita's when I did.

Manek


What speaker was it? Was it this one?

http://www.gamutaudio.com/products/details.asp?id=27

Those look like Vifa ring radiator tweeters to me.
bhagwan69
Inventar
#40 erstellt: 05. Jul 2009, 09:52

Those look like Vifa ring radiator tweeters to me.


Gentlemen, I am fluxed;
2 'bombs' in the same thread.
I never knew that GamuT used to use a Vifa Ring Radiator.
I was always under the impression that the GamuT Phi series was the worlds cheapest priced speaker that used a Scanspeak Ring Radiator tweeter.
When did they change from Scan to Vifa ??
I must be getting 'old' !!
Manek
Inventar
#41 erstellt: 05. Jul 2009, 12:28
Hi

No sign of the ring radiator on these. I know it was a peerless tweeter cuase I have the same pair at home.
The woofer was also very similar to the peerless coated paper one. My pair of woofers at home are kevlar and have the same rim and I have seen a few peerless paper coated drivers to know that most probably it is peerless.

The model numbers were something like 1651 and 1525.

Bhagwan, the phi I am aware of and these were not it.

First I couldn't belive my eyes and then couldn't believe my ears.

Don't get me wrong, I am all for value for money products but there wasn't anything gamut about them but the labels. I had them disconnected in 10 minutes and connected the avitas. Ah bliss......!

Manek


[Beitrag von Manek am 05. Jul 2009, 12:53 bearbeitet]
reignofchaos
Stammgast
#42 erstellt: 05. Jul 2009, 15:12

bhagwan69 schrieb:

Those look like Vifa ring radiator tweeters to me.


Gentlemen, I am fluxed;
2 'bombs' in the same thread.
I never knew that GamuT used to use a Vifa Ring Radiator.
I was always under the impression that the GamuT Phi series was the worlds cheapest priced speaker that used a Scanspeak Ring Radiator tweeter.
When did they change from Scan to Vifa ??
I must be getting 'old' !!
:.


Apologies - its a scanspeak R2904/700000.
Shahrukh
Inventar
#43 erstellt: 05. Jul 2009, 18:12
Sounds surprising to me too. Where'd you hear these Manek? At someone's place or at a dealer's? If it was a dealer, which one?
bombaywalla
Stammgast
#44 erstellt: 06. Jul 2009, 01:46

Shahrukh schrieb:
Sounds surprising to me too. Where'd you hear these Manek? At someone's place or at a dealer's? If it was a dealer, which one?



Manek schrieb:
I had them disconnected in 10 minutes and connected the avitas. Ah bliss......!


Shahrukh, it appears from Manek's writing that he had them in his house, in his system. To me that's the only way he could have reconnected the Avitas & found immediate bliss!
bhagwan69
Inventar
#45 erstellt: 06. Jul 2009, 04:50

To me that's the only way he could have reconnected the Avitas & found immediate bliss!


I may be ill informed, but I was under the impression that Manek's set up was in Pune.
Now, when did Pune get GamuT ?
Is Oceanic doing it there ?
Has the Dyna Series landed in India ?
Manek
Inventar
#46 erstellt: 06. Jul 2009, 05:56
In pune.
They had come to oceanic for demo purposes.

Why don't the pune guys drop in for a listen ? As they say different strokes for different folks. You guys may like em, who knows.

Manek
reignofchaos
Stammgast
#47 erstellt: 15. Jul 2009, 19:06

bhagwan69 schrieb:

Those look like Vifa ring radiator tweeters to me.


Gentlemen, I am fluxed;
2 'bombs' in the same thread.
I never knew that GamuT used to use a Vifa Ring Radiator.
I was always under the impression that the GamuT Phi series was the worlds cheapest priced speaker that used a Scanspeak Ring Radiator tweeter.
When did they change from Scan to Vifa ??
I must be getting 'old' !!
:.


Just an update - looks like my hunch was correct the first time round - it definitely is a Vifa with a scanspeak like phase plug custom made for GamuT. 6moons confirms my earlier hunch :). A scanspeak ring radiator from a "high end" company at that price is definitely a pipe dream

http://6moons.com/audioreviews/gamut/gamut.html



Gamut chief Lars Goller claims fatherhood for the Vifa ring radiator unit. This is based on his 8-year stint of development work for Vifa 'til 2005. The specific version in the Phi5 runs a modified magnet system for reduced distortion while the mounting plate is aluminum with a (gold was apparently out of reach) silver phase plug, turning the stainless steel wave-guide nipple into somewhat of a fashion statement. Whether this detail will impress ears as much as eyes is certainly questionable.
deaf
Stammgast
#48 erstellt: 19. Jul 2009, 12:02
My 2 bit now, the Amphion Argon2 anniversary will bury all these guys. The speaker is designed by the original Gamut owner responsible for the rocking electronics.BTW a Danish review has compared these 1800 euro babies to the award winning Xavian XN360 at 10000 euros.
Deaf
Amp_Nut
Inventar
#49 erstellt: 19. Jul 2009, 14:30
Deaf: You sell Amphion in India ?
bhagwan69
Inventar
#50 erstellt: 19. Jul 2009, 16:00

deaf schrieb:
My 2 bit now, the Amphion Argon2 anniversary will bury all these guys. The speaker is designed by the original Gamut owner responsible for the rocking electronics.BTW a Danish review has compared these 1800 euro babies to the award winning Xavian XN360 at 10000 euros.
Deaf


Hey, that used to be my speaker - few years back !! Super product it sure was....
deaf
Stammgast
#51 erstellt: 20. Jul 2009, 04:58

Amp_Nut schrieb:
Deaf: You sell Amphion in India ?

Yes sir, I do.
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