connecting the ipod

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anirvan
Stammgast
#1 erstellt: 11. Jul 2006, 11:16
hi guys,

now that i have done enough personal sessions with my ipod, i want to include rest of the people,
there can be 2 easy ways of attaching the ipod to the rest of the system ( that i am aware of)
1- av cable, here the problem is i have to think of the car stereo separately
2-fm transmitter - here sound quality wont be as good as 1 but better portability,

would be great if you guys share your experiences and give some suggestions..
regs
anirvan
Amp_Nut
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#2 erstellt: 11. Jul 2006, 11:43
Hi Anirvan,

I am quite an iPod freak...

1. I would sugest a simple 'Stereo Earphone to Twin RCA Cord' ( Stereo EP to RCA ) to connect your pod to the Hi Fi system.

Its cost is about Rs 30, though the version from Monster costs over Rs 1,000.

A believe that a copper wire will provide better fidelity than FM modulating+ wireless transmission + Demodulation.

2. For the car, I use a cassette adapter.

Many FM transmitters for the pod do not provide good in-car reception, and they also have the problem of battery drain, either from the ipod, or worse, 2 AAA cells of their own.

The Cassette has the disadvantage of possible equalisation errors & added noise.... theoritically.

The one I use, seems addequate to me, for car use.
Shahrukh
Inventar
#3 erstellt: 11. Jul 2006, 12:01
The problem with 'the cable' is u'v got to keep getting up to change the track on the iPod. I wish they came out with some remote device where you could control the playlist from your sofa. Is there?
Amp_Nut
Inventar
#4 erstellt: 11. Jul 2006, 15:52
Yes & No !

The iPod Dock comes with a slick remote control ( and mains charger )

The Remote provides for Volume up / down

and Previous / Next play.

It does not provide the full click wheel functionality, like scrolling and playlist selection, because, I guess they assumed that one cant really read the screen for 6 feet to 9 feet away !


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Shahrukh
Inventar
#5 erstellt: 11. Jul 2006, 17:51

Amp_Nut schrieb:
Yes & No !

The iPod Dock comes with a slick remote control ( and mains charger )

The Remote provides for Volume up / down

and Previous / Next play.

It does not provide the full click wheel functionality, like scrolling and playlist selection, because, I guess they assumed that one cant really read the screen for 6 feet to 9 feet away ! :Y


Yeah maybe they need to invent a remote with the iPod screen too
Amp_Nut
Inventar
#6 erstellt: 12. Jul 2006, 05:13
Then it would probably be as big, and cost more than half the price of the pod

Another option would be to use an FM Transmitter like the iTrip, and beam it to the stereo, via the FM Tuner.

That way, you would have the entire ipod in yr hand at all times.
anirvan
Stammgast
#7 erstellt: 12. Jul 2006, 06:36
guys any idea of the which FM transmitters do I look at ,
if I am thinking of one.
r
anirvan
Amp_Nut
Inventar
#8 erstellt: 12. Jul 2006, 07:33
Broadly 2 options :

1. The ones that Dock to the pod, like iTrip
These usually, draw power from the iPod itself, hence no batteries to change periodacally.

On the other hand, these :

i. Drain the pod battery

ii. Need a Specific model corresponding to the ipod model that you have.


2. The ones that connect with a wire, to the headphone jack.

If you plan Incar yuse, please Check Out if they work well in your car, Before buying.

Some have a poor range and provide Very Poor Incar reception.

Contrary to popular belief, In car use requires Strong FM Transmissions. The signal has to reach out, from a shielded (Metal enclosure - the Car ) to the antenna, located OUTSIDE the car, from where it is picked up.

The Signal does Not jump from the FM Transmitter to the Car Radio located close by, because the antenna wire is well shielded to avoid electrical noise pick up from the car's ignition system, and from adjacent cars on the road - in case of a deisel car...
anirvan
Stammgast
#9 erstellt: 12. Jul 2006, 08:48
ya allah, itna technicalities !!!!!!
Amp_Nut
Inventar
#10 erstellt: 12. Jul 2006, 08:51
Stupid me.... thought it would be better to FULLY inform, than provide half knowledge that may not work in practice.

My apologies.

In future will


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Shahrukh
Inventar
#11 erstellt: 12. Jul 2006, 09:40

anirvan schrieb:
ya allah, itna technicalities !!!!!!


What technicalities?? I think this kind of information is very relevant. It saves a lot of heartburn later. Infact, that's what this forum is for, isn't it?
anirvan
Stammgast
#12 erstellt: 12. Jul 2006, 09:49
i was just joking guys,
definitely relevant info-
infact i did search ilounge.com
and read the review on diff. fm tranmitters but half u dont get in india-
i guess we just get griffin and kensington out here-
r
anirvan
anirvan
Stammgast
#13 erstellt: 15. Jul 2006, 20:39


1. I would sugest a simple 'Stereo Earphone to Twin RCA Cord' ( Stereo EP to RCA ) to connect your pod to the Hi Fi system.

Its cost is about Rs 30, though the version from Monster costs over Rs 1,000.


went for this option,
great experience, surfing thru' my collection in no time-

many thanks
Amp_Nut
Inventar
#14 erstellt: 16. Jul 2006, 18:31
Hi Anirvan,

THANKS for your feedback, and the thumbs up !




Its always great to rteceive feedback, and often, on most forums there is no feeback from the one who starts the thread, asking for help ....
anirvan
Stammgast
#15 erstellt: 16. Jul 2006, 20:13
adding to the post,
i did feel the connection headphone to receiver
sucks out more battery power,
or is it just that i feel that???
r
anirvan
Amp_Nut
Inventar
#16 erstellt: 17. Jul 2006, 04:04
I guess its just yr feeling .....

In principle atleast, it will consume LESS power.

The receiver has a High input impedance, ie it consumes only a little current, unlike headphones, that require some power to drive them..
Amp_Nut
Inventar
#17 erstellt: 17. Jul 2006, 09:51
SILLY LAW ?

Hi Guys,

I just saW this piece on the net.... some excerpts:

( The Full Monty is in today's Indian Express at :
http://www.indianexpress.com/story/8646.html )

Ofcom allows iTrips etc ....

A law banning gadgets that let iPod users listen to their music over FM radio is to be overturned, it has been revealed.

The communications regulator, Ofcom, said yesterday that it wanted to lift Britain's ban on the gizmos, which can be used to listen to digital music in cars or around the home.

Devices such as Griffin Technology's iTrip are .... illegal in the UK. Thousands of British consumers already have the devices, however, thanks to a legal loophole that lets the country's retailers sell them.

Although the devices only broadcast their FM radio signals over distances of a few metres, they were ruled illegal because of fears they would interfere with commercial radio.

"The iTrip is actually our biggest-selling hardware accessory," said Jonathan Cole, managing director of the iPod retailer PopXpress.com.

"But we're in the strange position where it is legal for us to sell it within the European Union, but customers can only use it in other European countries. I think it's all a bit silly really."

---------------------

P.S: I think if we read the iNDIAN lAW CLOSELY, THESE DEVICES ARE ALSO BANNED IN iNDIA...


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anirvan
Stammgast
#18 erstellt: 20. Jul 2006, 13:53
hi,
a thing i noticed while playing the ipod songs thru the avr is that i have to jack up the avr volume to +10 (ipod volume being at half the slider), whereas in the case of dvds or cd ( thru the dvd player ) its hardly -10 ...
i am a little confused-
please solve the mystery....
r
anirvan
Shahrukh
Inventar
#19 erstellt: 20. Jul 2006, 14:03
Ani I noticed the same problem with an iPod mini. However, on conecting the iPod photo (dunno which generation) it sounded much better.
Amp_Nut
Inventar
#20 erstellt: 20. Jul 2006, 14:12
Dont hesitate to turn up the iPod volume to about 80%.

Remember that the iPod has to deliver this voltage into a low impedance ( 32 ohm ? ) headphone, so the voltage swings will not be large.

These small voltage swings are low compared to the 2 Volts RMS ( almost 5 Volts peak to peak ) from a typical CD Player, which feeds a High Impedance ( Typically 10K Ohms ) Load.

Try feeding a CD Player Line out to the pod headphones and it will most probably distort.

The pod and CD players are designed for opposite loads :

iPod : High Current, Low Voltage

CD Player : Low Current, High Voltage.

Therefore the amp / AVR is designed to accept a higher voltage.... typicaly from a CD player.


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Amp_Nut
Inventar
#21 erstellt: 20. Jul 2006, 14:32
An interesting piece of information on the side....

The European Union has laws that dictate that prsonal steros cannot deliver more than a certain level of volume to the head phones (I think this 98 dB or 100 dB).

Hence even iRiver has a special patch for EU users that severely curtails the output level of the player.

If you install the patch by mistake, I am told that there is no way to uninstall it !

The law is created to protect the hearing of European kids.
NealC
Neuling
#22 erstellt: 21. Jul 2006, 07:18
Just for your info you can check out the Kensington Entertainment Dock which can be bought online from fabmall.


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Neutral
Stammgast
#23 erstellt: 15. Aug 2006, 12:51

Amp_Nut schrieb:
The European Union has laws that dictate that prsonal steros cannot deliver more than a certain level of volume to the head phones (I think this 98 dB or 100 dB).

The law is created to protect the hearing of European kids. :.


Hi, 2 questions on this nugget.
1. 80dB is a safe volume level. Anything above that would be dangerous. So 100dB limitation will still leave those poor kids deaf.
2. How would the stereo manufacturer know the volume level. Some headphones (like Grado) are more sensitive and others (like Senn) are less sensitive. So how would the loudness be measured?
Amp_Nut
Inventar
#24 erstellt: 15. Aug 2006, 13:11
Both, good questions ......

1. I am not sure about the absolute number..... MAYBE its 80 dB.... can someone Google and find out ?

2. The SPL is applied for the mp-3 player + its dedicated Headphones taken together as a single unit.
Neutral
Stammgast
#25 erstellt: 16. Aug 2006, 17:11

Amp_Nut schrieb:
Both, good questions ......

1. I am not sure about the absolute number..... MAYBE its 80 dB.... can someone Google and find out ?

2. The SPL is applied for the mp-3 player + its dedicated Headphones taken together as a single unit.


1. No need to google. I know the WHO health guidelines. Starts from 80dB for long periods of exposure.

2. How funny? Just replace the stock headphones with sensitive Grados and party Pity someone who uses a Senn though
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