Finalished Speakers, need help deciding Amp.

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zhopudey
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#1 erstellt: 27. Jun 2007, 07:34

Wakaw!

Finally, I've finalised Dyne BM6 passive monitors

Of course this puts my budget out of whack

Now I need help with the amp. As my budget is only enough for the NAD, which I guess won't be the best choice for the Dynes

So, I thought of getting an used amp. I came across a 2-yr old Rotel RB-991 which fits in my budget

(Its a power amp, hence all my inquiries about passives in the other thread :P).

So, does anyone have an idea if rotel will be a good match for the BM6? Or anyone know of any good amp for sale in mumbai? This rotel is in bangalore, and shipping would cost a bomb

Bring on the suggestions!

zhopudey
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#2 erstellt: 28. Jun 2007, 07:33

No suggestions?

Savyasaachi
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#3 erstellt: 28. Jun 2007, 07:56

How about the NAD C350 that square wave has on sale?

zhopudey
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#4 erstellt: 28. Jun 2007, 08:38

Well, I've already been offered a rotel power amp. So I am wondering if there's anything better available. The rotel is quite a step up from the NADs.

abhi.pani
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#5 erstellt: 28. Jun 2007, 08:44

Hey, I have heard the same Rotel power amp with one of the Dynaudio Bookshelves and they were doing really really well. Very nice sound!!

Frankly, I didnt expect that kind of maturity from the Rotel...but woah...it was a surprise.

zhopudey
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#6 erstellt: 28. Jun 2007, 08:53

Arrey! I already know thr rotel is good

But isn't there anything else in the market? Surely, some of you must know of a similar/better amp for sale (in my budget of course).

abhi.pani
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#7 erstellt: 28. Jun 2007, 08:58

check your PM..

square_wave
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#8 erstellt: 28. Jun 2007, 09:03

zhopudey schrieb:

Well, I've already been offered a rotel power amp. So I am wondering if there's anything better available. The rotel is quite a step up from the NADs.

The quality of sound which you achieve from a rotel power-amp depends on the Pre-amp which you buy. In budget electronics, it is the preamp / preamp section which suffers the most. And your speaker which is around 86db will definitely benefit from the additional power reserves of the Rotel 1080.
Both Nad and Rotel have their supporters in the budget camp. None is better than the other. It is just voiced slightly different.

zhopudey
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#9 erstellt: 28. Jun 2007, 09:24

Well, from what I have read in various forums, the rotel intergrateds are comparable to the NAD intergrateds; while their power amps are significantly better. At least thats the impression I got from AA

Arj
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#10 erstellt: 28. Jun 2007, 09:36

zhopudey schrieb:

well it depends on which speakers you run it with :). dont think one significantly better, just that they sound different to different people.

Anyway dont think you can go wrong with either, hence go with your heart and ears (and Pocket) on this one.

For a pre you can always think of a simple volume put till your requirements change

zhopudey
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#11 erstellt: 28. Jun 2007, 09:52

Arj schrieb:

well it depends on which speakers you run it with :)

Speakers will be the Dyne BM6.

For a pre you can always think of a simple volume put till your requirements change

That is the plan for now.

Edit: Ohh and btw, in my budget, I can get a new 320bee. I figured if I buy used, I can get something much better.

[Beitrag von zhopudey am 28. Jun 2007, 09:54 bearbeitet]

Amp_Nut
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#12 erstellt: 28. Jun 2007, 10:19

BTW what is your source ?

I recall you had earlier mentioned that you plan to use your computer, and the entire system was for table top use and near field listning ?

....then you wont need a passive Volume control..

The sound card will directly feed the Power amp.

zhopudey
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#13 erstellt: 28. Jun 2007, 10:29

Amp_Nut schrieb:

The sound card will directly feed the Power amp.

Source is my EMU 0404 soundcard. And the pot will be for volume attenuation. I believe software volume control is not desirable?

Amp_Nut
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#14 erstellt: 28. Jun 2007, 12:08

2 points :

1. I am not sure if ALL Sound cards implement a Digital Volume control....

Anyone knowledgable on this forum, on the matter ?

2. The 0404 is a 24 Bit sound card.,,, so even if its digital attenuation, and you throw away bits of resolution, you will still have 16 bits ( CD resolution ) at most volume levels.... just like Wadia CD players !

zhopudey
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#15 erstellt: 28. Jun 2007, 12:16

That would be cool

Would save me some money as well

Now, I just need to decide on the amp.

zhopudey
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#16 erstellt: 30. Jun 2007, 07:53

I've come across a Marantz PM-8000 on sale. A bit cheaper than the rotel. But surprisingly, I couldn't find any proper reviews for it

Any idea how it would compare against the rotel power-amp, powering the Dyne BM6, on primarily rock music?

ani
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#17 erstellt: 30. Jun 2007, 08:19

Dear Zhopudey,

Have you considered one of the powered mini monitors instead of the BM6? I don't remember your older thread on it.

You can use the power amp and control volume at software level, the loss in resolution from the 24bit will be better than most avg volume pots and preamps. Just make sure that the output of your soundcard can drive the Poweramp.
Regards
Anil

zhopudey
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#18 erstellt: 30. Jun 2007, 08:24

The only thing better than a BM6, would be a BM6-A

All the active monitors I considered wouldn't come close to it. Plus, I'm buying the BM6 used, as I'm getting a good deal. And now I'm searching for a good used amp to enter sonic nirvana!

zhopudey
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#19 erstellt: 04. Jul 2007, 15:39

Got the speakers!

Simply cannot wait any longer for the amp.

Decided to go for the rotel.

Manek
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#20 erstellt: 04. Jul 2007, 15:58

congrats !

Voodoo_CHild
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#21 erstellt: 04. Jul 2007, 16:15

congrats zhopudey!
the kid's expression (before/after) in one of the pics says it all

good to see with whom you 'liv' with

zhopudey
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#22 erstellt: 04. Jul 2007, 16:16

Coming next - Stands (inspired by neono :D)
Alps pot for the passive.

Hmm...what about connectors and cables? Anything good available @ rsindia.com?

Manek, I believe you're the cable expert here

Manek
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#23 erstellt: 04. Jul 2007, 17:08

I'm no expert..I just footle around my spare time with cables

I've read a good reference about viren's cables and I assume viren has used the same within my amp as well and it sounds fine so maybe worth a shot. Someone said 1000 rs for Viren's interconnect....

for branded, i do have a soft corner for vdh. Ecosse is good VFM brand and so is QED. I would advice buying a interconnect and spkr cable set. I have more often than not found better synergies with sets rather than the IC from one brand and spkr cable from another.

Manek.

zhopudey
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#24 erstellt: 04. Jul 2007, 17:25

vdh? ecosse? qed? What damages am I looking at here?

I'll need custom interconnects, as my sound card has phono 1/4" jacks.

Manek
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#25 erstellt: 04. Jul 2007, 18:32

i'm sure the people selling this will give you a choice of terminations....

why dont you go to profx and lakozy and check em out. You will find supra in lakozy as well. You may find a cable of your price range.

SNV sells ecosse I think.

manek.

panditr
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#26 erstellt: 05. Jul 2007, 15:04

Congrats on your Rotel...Enjoy your music...

zhopudey
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#27 erstellt: 05. Jul 2007, 18:31

Thanks, but I haven't got the rotel yet.

That guy seems to be absconding

Kamal
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#28 erstellt: 05. Jul 2007, 18:48

I'm the one who wrote abt Virens' interconnects-
just a Thou' bucks & all at once, my oppo started to punch way ouside its league!
Today I picked up a speaker cable set from Viren;result, another quantum jump in sound quality!
Will be picking up another interconnect from him on saturday to replace the one running from my pre to power amp & am looking forward to another level jump in listening pleasure.
Very seriously, this is a quick inexpensive way to upgrade your system, and to all guys who are still on the cables that came with their systems, give Viren's cables a serious listen, in case you are also, as I am, a HiFi enthusiast on a budget.

zhopudey
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#29 erstellt: 05. Jul 2007, 19:23

Need help with the passive. Now, I'll get the Alps pot from rsindia.com. So I figured I can get the 2 pairs of rca sockets from there as well. Is this what I need - White inner RCA/phono panel skt,1A 50V RS Stock No.457-2925 Not posting the link as rsindia uses some weird java thing that doesn't always work. Use the stock no. to search for it.
They have 4 colors, white, red, yellow and black. Please let me know if this is what I'll need, so I can order quickly.

Manek
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#30 erstellt: 06. Jul 2007, 06:06

kamal, can you put u a picture of viren's cables ?

zhopudey
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#31 erstellt: 06. Jul 2007, 06:57

Got granite slabs for stands. Damn polishing and rounding costs more than the materials

Now I have to call a carpenter to stick them together.

Voodoo_CHild
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#32 erstellt: 06. Jul 2007, 09:18

zhopudey schrieb:

Got granite slabs for stands. Damn polishing and rounding costs more than the materials

Now I have to call a carpenter to stick them together.

If you just want the granite slabs to stick together, use metal paste (instructions will be on the box itself), why need a carpenter? Nowadays its tough to find one for piece work.

zhopudey
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#33 erstellt: 06. Jul 2007, 10:49

I'll see if its available.

Voodoo_CHild
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#34 erstellt: 06. Jul 2007, 11:24

zhopudey schrieb:

I'll see if its available. :D

hmm..I meant its tough to find a carpenter for such kind of small works, not the metal paste

you can get this in any hardware store

ani
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#35 erstellt: 06. Jul 2007, 13:33

Zopudey,
Instead of Metal paste (polyester resin) use Two component Epoxy resin. Polyester resins are not as durable as epoxies and they do degrade fast.

The ideal choice is Water based epoxy tile fix from Laticrete. Good old Aradlite and M-seal are easily available solutions, only problem is that you have to keep them away from the poslished surface, else it spoils the look. Water based epoxies can be cleaned off the surface with water within the initial setting time.

Cheat : Isopropyl alcohol can be used to clean the surface from Araldite and M-seal before they dry. Clean the surface throughly so that not even a haze is left.

Regards
Anil

zhopudey
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#36 erstellt: 06. Jul 2007, 13:43

Ummm....ok I have IPA. Didn't really understand much of the rest

Araldite will work? I just smear araldite and slap the slabs together?

square_wave
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#37 erstellt: 06. Jul 2007, 14:11

What are these stands for ? Speakers ? Why do you need to stick granite slabs together while making speaker stands ? Is the entire stand made of granite or something ?

zhopudey
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#38 erstellt: 06. Jul 2007, 16:27

Yes. Using neono's idea.

Kamal
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#39 erstellt: 06. Jul 2007, 19:35

How abt asking Neono how he stuck them together?

zhopudey
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#40 erstellt: 07. Jul 2007, 08:55

How to use Araldite?

Ok, I got araldite. Its says, for best results "Roughen, dry and degrease surfaces to be bonded". Dry and degrease I understand, but how do I roughen granite?? And this also mean that araldite won't properly on polished granite?

zhopudey
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#41 erstellt: 07. Jul 2007, 14:12

Getting the interconnects and cables from viren

Hey viren, reply to my PM!

ani
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#42 erstellt: 07. Jul 2007, 14:25

Zhopudey,

If you have to glue one or two of the polished surface it is better to roughen up the surface. You can buy waterproof emery paper #120 or #220. This is available at all paint shops, all automotive painters use it.

Regards
Anil

zhopudey
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#43 erstellt: 07. Jul 2007, 16:16

Thanks, I'll get the emery paper.

I've stuck 2 slabs together to create a thicker slab, but the top and bottom is not perfectly level. There's a diff of 1-2mm. How do I rectify this? I'll need to grind or buff it somehow.

zhopudey
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#44 erstellt: 07. Jul 2007, 16:35

Whoa! The noise cancellation thing works! You know, the one where you invert phase of one speaker, stick them close, facing each other, and play a mono track

Hardly any sound is heard

Am converting Prodigy's Fat of the Land to mono8) That should give a serious workout to my speakers , without my mom screaming at me

Now if only I had my amp and cables. Viren bhai, where art thou?