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square_wave
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#51 erstellt: 09. Aug 2007, 07:59

Hi India Duke,

I think you need to read my first post that you are referring to again carefully. I was saying that all good brands including M’s are made by people who know how to make cables but the generic variety is crap.
While all the other posts just mean that cables made by people who know how to do so including M’s (even DIY ones which you yourself can do) will outperform most entry / mid level branded cables. This is my experience and my opinion. Others may have different experience and they are entitled to your own opinions.

I am not interested in listing my audiophile friends nor am I interested in any purple prose / fluff and magic manufacturing facility to make interconnects. I am just interested in RESULTS.
It is a well known fact that amps and preamps made with point to point wiring done by hand assembled in peoples drawing rooms can work wonders. I do not think you need any fluff and magic facility to make cables too. Maybe the super hi-end ones need. We are not discussing that. Are we ?

It is a well known fact that audio manufacturers flaunt their super hi-end multi million R&D and Facilities to sell their entry level/mid level stuff. Little does the hapless audiophile who buys the entry level / mid level product knows that he been had. The low end / mid end product does not need any of those facilities. The hi-end models do but they cost a bomb. It is like B&W flaunting their facilities / hyper extended diamond tweeter and all that stuff / creates hype and then sell their DM/CM series to hapless audiophiles. Little do they know that they can make better DIY speakers if they spend half of that money. Same principle applies to cables too.

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Amp_Nut
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#52 erstellt: 09. Aug 2007, 08:03

Guys.... the Thread topic is :

New CD Player

abhi.pani
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#53 erstellt: 09. Aug 2007, 08:15

Amp_Nut schrieb:

Guys.... the Thread topic is :

New CD Player

;)

Amp_nut Bhai, we have already congratulated our dear friend Koushik for the fantastic purchase...

Ab yeh topic chalne do...maza aa raha hai..

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square_wave
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#54 erstellt: 09. Aug 2007, 08:15

True. I think we have totally hijacked the thread………..

Indian_Duke
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#55 erstellt: 09. Aug 2007, 09:00

SW

You haven’t answered my questions. Now, after reading Savyasaachi’s comments about shoddy soldering and nickel plated RCA plugs, you can add one more to my list – Quality Control. What QC procedures does Mr. M have? Nickel plated plugs … Jeez…which self respecting cable manufacturer sells cables with nickel plated terminations today?

You are convinced that entry /mid level from respected cable, amp & speaker manufacturers is generic crap, whereas some obscure product purchased by you is the real thing? So why don’t you back your words with some facts? Have you done any testing under controlled conditions? What are the specifications of the products you are plugging? Give details, my friend, don’t just hide behind the “my golden ears” or “some audiophile friends” syndrome. That’s the easiest way out. If you like some product, be mature and say you found it to be good for x,y,z reasons, like Abhi.Pani has done. I have no issues with your preferences, you are welcome to them. But don’t make grand and pompous declarations about some vague unheard of product having internationally respected brands for breakfast, without any substantiation. You are only misleading people here.

Sorry Amp nut, I do know this topic relates to CD players, but I have been reading this Gentleman’s pompous declarations with some interest and amusement. I think it surely affects the credibility of this forum if such ludicrous statements are allowed to flourish unopposed.

square_wave
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#56 erstellt: 09. Aug 2007, 09:27

I think I had made myself very clear in my last post. I have absolutely NO INTEREST in the things that you hold very important when you evaluate something like an interconnect. My criteria are DIFFERENT. I am only interested in Results. RESULTS. Fluff and magic which does not translate into results does not interest me. There is no point in discussing this further. It will lead nowhere. Nobody is misleading anyone. The cables can be had for home demo. Only if you like it after a long evaluation period do you need to keep it. Else it can be returned. So how is this misleading anyone ?

square_wave
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#57 erstellt: 09. Aug 2007, 09:30

BTW: Carefully made aliases with nasty intentions

also does not intimidate me

Arj
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#58 erstellt: 09. Aug 2007, 09:33

I just hope that poor Mr Murty does not get affected by this.

From what I know this nice gentleman has been around for ages providing for audiophiles in bangalore. from what I hear his accessories like stands/racks and power conditioners are really good and do provide a local option for all of us.

I hope he continues and thrives as well as he is not promoting his products in anyway.

abhi.pani
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#59 erstellt: 09. Aug 2007, 09:46

Arj schrieb:

Agreed Sir..

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His efforts are commendable.

square_wave
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#60 erstellt: 09. Aug 2007, 09:50

Arj schrieb:

He won’t. Don’t worry. His customers are by word of mouth

Most don’t hang around here.

Savyasaachi
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#61 erstellt: 09. Aug 2007, 10:21

Arj schrieb:

His stands are among the best i have come across in Indian showrooms...no doubts about that..

Indian_Duke
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#62 erstellt: 09. Aug 2007, 10:29

SW,

Too bad you are not picking up the gauntlet.

It is not just ICs we are talking of, sure we began with them, but you also roped in amps, preamps, B&W speakers etc. So, in your little world, companies that employ top flight designers/engineers and spend millions on continual improvement of their products are just pulling wool over the eyes of "hapless audiophiles"? Havent you heard of the term "Trickle down technology"? Wow! Now we know how much credence to give to your comments.

Intimidate you??? No Sir! I am only having a friendly debate with you about your views since I find them strange. In what way do you find this intimidating???

Mr. Arj, this is not about Mr. Murthy. But I am surprised that an individual can go out of his way to plug some local products, talk crap about respected manufacturers who have proved themself around the world, and not find a murmur of dissent?

square_wave
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#63 erstellt: 09. Aug 2007, 11:29

“ Trickle down technology in entry level audio “

Dear Indian Duke, I have not thrown down the gauntlet. When people with different belief systems argue, the arguments tend to go nowhere. It is a waste of time for both. Thought I’ll do just one more post on Trickle down technology.
I agree that mass market manufacturers use trickle down technology in their entry / mid level designs. But my point is that this can be bettered by good DIY for the same kind of money if you know how to do it. DIY chaps all over the world wouldn’t have upgraded from entry/mid level mass market stuff to better designs they themselves make if they can’t better it.…………..I have seen time and again that any audio component amp/preamp/speakers from any mass-market brand (entry/mid level) can be bettered by small manufacturers who know what they are doing. The whole reason why DIY and such small niche/ hobbyist players are so successful is proof to that. Hang around at DIY.com for a while and you will get a hang of it. People are replacing their multi thousand dollar amps with AKSA lifeforce amps they assemble in their drawing room. So go figure.

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ani
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#64 erstellt: 09. Aug 2007, 11:37

Been hearing a lot of good things about Mr. Murthy and his products. Any one of our B'lore friends post some photos of his products, so that we can at least see them.

Regards
Anil

Indian_Duke
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#65 erstellt: 09. Aug 2007, 12:25

square_wave schrieb:

There we go wandering off again...

All this while we were talking about audiophile brands, so how did mass market manufacturers suddenly jump in???

Can you name the mass market manufacturers you have been talking about in this particular thread???

And also let us know who are the mass market manufacturers in your experience who make hi end audiophile products???

Gentlemen, I reiterate I hold nothing against Mr. Murthy.

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bhagwan69
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#66 erstellt: 09. Aug 2007, 13:06

ani schrieb:

Been hearing a lot of good things about Mr. Murthy and his products. Any one of our B'lore friends post some photos of his products, so that we can at least see them.

Regards
Anil

Lovely Suggestion !

Jeeves
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#67 erstellt: 09. Aug 2007, 14:01

I am a die hard fan of Murthy's Finesse products. All ICs, pwr cords, speaker stands, bass traps and pwr conditioner are from him. My CDP sits on his isolation platform and my TT on another wall shelf designed and made by him.. Waiting to find a gap in his schedule so that I can order his speaker cables.
Yes its true that it is extremely convenient for us Bangaloreans to have Murthy around.
I know that he tests his ICs and cables individually by listening to each on his own system. Prithvi also helps in listening tests and providing feedback. Yes it is a very very small operation but hey it works for me.
I have a pair of his jumper cables too on a second system!
Oops my system rack is his too!

Incidentally, over the years Murthy and Prithvi have always insisted I try out each item I have bought and only if I felt it made a difference to go ahead and buy. Haven't rejected anything so far.

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square_wave
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#68 erstellt: 09. Aug 2007, 14:41

You need to check out the speaker cables too Jeeves………
Yours is one of the most musically satisfying setups I have heard. Especially when you play the LP 12’s.

Savyasaachi
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#69 erstellt: 09. Aug 2007, 19:02

Jeeves schrieb:

Incidentally, over the years Murthy and Prithvi have always insisted I try out each item I have bought and only if I felt it made a difference to go ahead and buy. Haven't rejected anything so far.

Totally with you on this one Jeeves...Especially when you have the rest of the system figured out and you need to try out just one part of your setup, it is so much more beneficial to find dealers and manufacturers forking out in house demos or 30 day return gaurantee..

I held on to the jumpers for a week..actually..i remember now that i listend to only one pair and the second pair Prithvi gave to me when i returned the first and i declined.
The second pair looked much much better..

Indian_Duke
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#70 erstellt: 09. Aug 2007, 20:25

Dear Mr. Jeeves,

Thank you very much for shedding some light on the matter. We unfortunate non Bangaloreans now have some idea as to how Mr. Murthy makes and tests his products, and he has with him Mr. Prithvi, giving him valuable feedback. If it works for you, good for you, I have no problem with that. I wouldn't expect your preferences to be similar to mine.

I appreciate your measured response which is in stark contrast to the juvenile unsubstantiated exultations which got my goat in the first place. Although the issue isn't Mr. M at all, had products made by X, Y or Z, been plugged in a similar fashion, my response would have been the same. Any way, at least we now have some platform to make an initial analysis of whether we should be considering Mr. M's products vis-a-vis the other audiophile products available in the world. A website would have been helpful, but alas, that is not to be.

Anyway, Cheers!

bombaywalla
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#71 erstellt: 10. Aug 2007, 00:02

WOW!

you boys have hijacked this "New CD Player" thread nice & proper into a heated cable discussion!!!

Good going fellas!

To fan the flames a bit - I too have heard from a very reliable source that the locally made cables in Bangalore are not up-to-the-mark against some reasonably priced cables from Ecosse, TARA Labs, vdH.
I know that many here consider vdH as "bland and dull" but I would like to know if they think the same of the vdH "The First Ultimate". I used to own the vdH "The First" & it was good tone control for overly bright systems. However, it was a very analog sounding cable with a very smooth flow of sound from the bass to mid to hi freq. It lacked the ultimate resolution but it produced very fine music. I think that I can liken it to NAIM gear where I read comments very similar to what I've written about vdH "The First". Anyway, I no longer own these & I much preferred the TARA Labs Master Gen II interconnects & speaker cables.
I've had superb experience with DH Labs BL Series II, XLO ER-6, ER-4 & Pro 600 cables. Also, had modest success with Kimber Hero. I own all of these till today. From whatever I heard from my reliable source re. the local BLR cables, the above mentioned brand name cables did seem to best it in all areas.

Square Wave: it's good to be passionate about a brand & it is indeed good to see that you are supporting the local industry to your best. Along the line do yourself a favour & re-check your devotion to the locally made cables by listening to other budget cables from time-time. I could be an ear-opener!!!

Prithvi
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#72 erstellt: 10. Aug 2007, 06:17

Arj schrieb:

As you said he is doing his little bit for audiophiles and will continue to do so.

Many of my hi-end clients are using his cables and power conditioners & are very happy.

To those who dont like his products, so be it. TO each his own. Nothing wrong in that.

Indian_Duke
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#73 erstellt: 10. Aug 2007, 07:17

Dear Mr. Bombaywalla,

Good to hear another logical voice, not swayed by emotional or other considerations.

I too laud efforts by fellow Indians, however this kind of blind passion is too much to digest.

If I am permitted to make an analogy, I find the Indica to be a VFM car for what it offers and I feel the Tatas are doing a commendable job in providing Indians with a homegrown alternative. However, having owned and sampled a host of cars of international manufacture, I believe it would be foolish of me to grandly declare that the Indica can have X Japanese car or Y European car or Z American car for breakfast.

Cheers!

abhi.pani
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#74 erstellt: 10. Aug 2007, 07:35

Indian_Duke schrieb:

I believe it would be foolish of me to grandly declare that the Indica can have X Japanese car or Y European car or Z American car for breakfast.
Cheers!

Exactly....such extreme statements are unacceptable in audio

His reference one is a totally different story.It will have the Jaguars and TMC for breakfast.

Ahhhh....

As far as I know, even TMC is a niche cable manufacturer. They dont sell snake oil. Their cables has extensive design and engineering input. People all over the world have appreciated their cables and compare it with cables costing upto $1000

square_wave
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#75 erstellt: 10. Aug 2007, 09:17

abhi.pani schrieb:

Indian_Duke schrieb:

I believe it would be foolish of me to grandly declare that the Indica can have X Japanese car or Y European car or Z American car for breakfast.
Cheers!

Exactly....such extreme statements are unacceptable in audio

His reference one is a totally different story.It will have the Jaguars and TMC for breakfast.

Ahhhh....

Yes TMC is a niche brand. I respect their design / product philosophy. I like their interconnect and speaker cables. I had borrowed them from ALS to check it out at home. But for me, M’s ref interconnect is a different ball game. Overall they may seem very similar when you play test discs with drum tracks and rock and stuff. But when you start playing jazz and classical, M’s cables start showing up it’s potential. It can show up spaces between violins when you play massed violin pieces. The strings sound musical while the TMC has a certain steeliness. I have noticed this whenever I play anything with real instruments. The attack and decay which creates that immediacy to music is better. I have the six cd collection of piano concerto by Dimitri Rachmanov. It is when I start listening to such stuff. M’s cables start shining through. The layering of instruments and connection with the artist is much more. It is like a small veil has been lifted compared to the TMC. This is my experience.

square_wave
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#76 erstellt: 10. Aug 2007, 09:24

Indian_Duke schrieb:

To Indian Duke,
There is no EMOTIONAL or other CONSIDERATION in any of my posts.
It is just plain support for an Indian hobbyist who based on my experience gives fantastic value for the many products which he makes which is endorsed by many a hi-end system owner in Bangalore and elsewhere. Some may have a different experience. So be it. It is the same kind of support some audiophiles may have for a certain kind of product and the thought process behind them. Some may like it, others may not.
Consider this, I had all monster products in my system once upon a time. They were gifted to me by a friend who owns BOSE 901 speakers. I could not afford them those days. I changed to M’s entry level interconnect from those some five years back. Since then I have upgraded to his mid level and then reference level interconnects. Each gave me fantastic sonic benefits whenever I upgraded. What I look for when I check out interconnects / cables also have also evolved over this period of six years. It woks fine for me. A friend of mine who had top of the line monster interconnects and then kimber hero also use M’s entry level interconnect now. He took mine for a trial when I upgraded and never returned it………..

powersupply
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#77 erstellt: 10. Aug 2007, 09:39

Well said bombaywallah.

square wave wrote

To each their own

then how can you criticise other manufacturers???

I found the straight wire encore as total crap for the money

may I know your system configuration & about your audio room? Since you are evaluating some intentionally well reputed brands & publicizing your reports thru' internet, all may like to know about your setup (if I’m not wrong what I could make out from your old posts, you might be using a MODED marantz CD63, Mr.Siva’s valve pre amp & may be NAD integrated "as power amp" & Mr.Siva’s Accoustic Portrait right?

So I feel all these findings are quite system dependant and it also about one’s predisposition to a certain kind of sound.. It would be bad for us to say that something is not good if most find it as quite good

for others Audioquest, MIT, VDH, TMC, Kimber, Straightwire etc etc….might work well in their system. It might not ‘ve worked in yur system compared to that gentleman Mr.Murthy’s cable!!!!!!. Why should you say that they are crap??

It will have the Jaguars and TMC for breakfast

is it product promoting tactics?

Bhagwan wrote

Get the cables from Mr. M. Use them in my set up & then take it to the houses of different forum members in Mumbai. Let them all use it against their own set of cables & request them to write a report on the forum.
How does the idea sound ? Suggestions ?

Perfect Sir. If they are that good, let's all help our Indian cottage industry.

Savyasaachi
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#78 erstellt: 10. Aug 2007, 09:39

First off i was not that big of a believer in cables. They do make a difference for sure but incremental and not jaw droppping or earth shattering as i see and read in the stereophile or any other cable review.

For those interested, i did however end up fashioning a very basic cable out of canare star quads with Neutrik Profi RCAs and Switchraft mini plug conectors. The resutls were very satisfying..
The PRo Fi Connectors are good and so is the switchcraft..

Next up is a RCA to RCA cable..again using Profi connectors and CAnare star quads.

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ani
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#79 erstellt: 10. Aug 2007, 09:43

SW wrote

The strings sound musical while the TMC has a certain steeliness.

Shouldn't there be steeliness to violin string sound ?

This subject can be another thread.

Regards
Anil

Savyasaachi
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#80 erstellt: 10. Aug 2007, 09:48

ani schrieb:

SW wrote

The strings sound musical while the TMC has a certain steeliness.

Shouldn't there be steeliness to violin string sound ?

This subject can be another thread.

Regards
Anil

LOL....i love it when people start describing music in 'audiophilie' lingo..

Good catch Ani.

Arj
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#81 erstellt: 10. Aug 2007, 09:54

I am so happy that i have tin ears. i still find it very difficult to find out too much differences in cables.

I belong to the school of thought (If it exists) that there are only 2 types of cables ie good cables and bad cables.

Good cables MAY have differences but they will be minute and small. and I personally would prefer ignoring them untill i am sure I have my room, Power and setup about as optimised as I can have them

a Bad cable will make the sound very different ...i prefer ignoring them

Whether that difference is good or bad is about as subjective as subjective can be:D

Savyasaachi
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#82 erstellt: 10. Aug 2007, 10:01

Arj schrieb:

Good cables MAY have differences but they will be minute and small. and I personally would prefer ignoring them untill i am sure I have my room, Power and setup about as optimised as I can have them

My thoughts exactly. That;s why i still run MX cables throughout my setup. No sense in spending gobs of cash on cables without have the major players squared away.

square_wave
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#83 erstellt: 10. Aug 2007, 10:05

ani schrieb:

SW wrote

The strings sound musical while the TMC has a certain steeliness.

Shouldn't there be steeliness to violin string sound ?

This subject can be another thread.

Regards
Anil

Ani,
I am not talking about the inherent steeliness which is part of any string instrument. I play the acoustic guitar and my cousin sister plays the violin. I know that one. There is another kind of steely distortion that creeps in when you use cables which are not upto par or mismatched. This one robs the strings of their musicality (harmonics). It is like the difference in sound when you compare between a low quality mp3 and the same unaltered wave file through a high quality headphone.

powersupply
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#84 erstellt: 10. Aug 2007, 10:19

square wave wrote:

But when you start playing jazz and classical, M’s cables start showing up it’s potential

is the IC only for Jazz? How does it differentiate the signal from Jazz & Drums/Rock stuffs to perform at its best?

It can show up spaces between violins when you play massed violin pieces.

when you play so called massed violin you should get one note..like playing one violin..if massed violins show up the space bet'n each violin...hmmmm I can't imagine what sound(not music) you get.

I have the six cd collection of piano concerto by Dimitri Rachmanov. It is when I start listening to such stuff. M’s cables start shining through.

Sir final doubt! Is the IC voiced for that kind of music signal? Is it that cable shined b'cos of the music

Sir, all ‘ve liberty to express their experiences with audio, but why to degrade or condemn other brands/makes without proper substantial evidences? I don’t think that you ‘ve the technical specs/measures for the cables you are using. I’m sure it’s something like sourcing some conductors & braid/twist & terminate with some RCA(is your IC terminated with Eichmann plugs or WBT connectors?). It’s a hobby, we should keep trying/experimenting new things no doubt, but let it not make other commercial members to suffer. There are many commercial members in our Country who are trying to promote some excellent brands, with taking the risk of investing huge money & bringing them to our country. Don’t say they are all Crap

Indian_Duke
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#85 erstellt: 10. Aug 2007, 10:49

Come on SW,

Do grow up!

The world does not begin and end with Mr. M and Mr. Siva. Whatever these gentlemen are doing today, remember there are many, many, more talented and dedicated designers who have been there/done that much earlier and garnered acceptance and acclaim not just in their backyard, but all over the world. So dont knock them by calling their efforts crap.

We have all gathered a fair idea of your system and evaluating methods from the posts above. So now, I know how to evaluate your future postings!

Dear Power Supply, very valid points.

Cheers!

Kamal
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#86 erstellt: 10. Aug 2007, 10:54

This bickering is becoming pretty tiresome!
Gentlemen, care to declare a truce?

square_wave
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#87 erstellt: 10. Aug 2007, 11:04

Dear Kamal,
See the last post by ID. It is so very obvious to the entire forum what their real problem is. It is very clear where their indignation is coming from.

I have no further interest in this discussion.

Arj
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#88 erstellt: 10. Aug 2007, 11:05

Indian_Duke schrieb:

We have all gathered a fair idea of your system and evaluating methods from the posts above. So now, I know how to evaluate your future postings!

While I may understand where you are coming from..isnt that thoda hitting below the belt ?

Most of us are'nt experts here in the forum and everyone has a right to say what his experiences are.. while I may not totally agree with SW, he has every right to post his feelings in this forum as anyone else wiothout getting rediculed especially by insuinating that his system is not up to the mark !!!!

how many of us have reached that mark

And regarding commercial members getting impacts...come-on ! we are talking of a forum here..who ever believes everything in a forum !it is only marginally different from a magazine review

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Indian_Duke
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#89 erstellt: 10. Aug 2007, 11:21

Dear Mr. Arj,

No Sir, I am not in any way hitting below the belt. I only mean to say that I now know a little more about the methods and equipment SW uses for evaluating audio gear.

Ridicule... I did not start it. But when a person expresses his views so strongly on the net surely he should expect an appropriate response. But then, does this forum believe in just nodding sagely at any uninformed view posted?

Arj
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#90 erstellt: 10. Aug 2007, 11:42

well everyone evaluates audio gear based on the system he has
And I believe most of the regulars in the forum who contribute and discuss on it regularly, know and understand where someone is coming from. thats why many choose not even to participate in this thread

again , you have every right to post your views as strongly as you want and so does SW and i believe do do i..but please do not make comments slighting someone elses system. its not a very nice thing to do.. in the end all of us belong to a very small community

Shahrukh
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#91 erstellt: 10. Aug 2007, 11:53

We have all gathered a fair idea of your system and evaluating methods from the posts above. So now, I know how to evaluate your future postings!

Look, maybe our pal SW likes M's cables and doesn't give a rats @$$ about the rest. So???

He's stated his opinion. And you guys have stated yours!!

It's all a very healthy debate - but lets not run people down on the systems they have. That's a cheap shot IMO. Doesn't do nobody any good.

bhagwan69
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#92 erstellt: 10. Aug 2007, 12:00

Shahrukh schrieb:

We have all gathered a fair idea of your system and evaluating methods from the posts above. So now, I know how to evaluate your future postings!

Look, maybe our pal SW likes M's cables and doesn't give a rats @$$ about the rest. So???

He's stated his opinion. And you guys have stated yours!!

It's all a very healthy debate - but lets not run people down on the systems they have. That's a cheap shot IMO. Doesn't do nobody any good.

Well put Sir !

abhi.pani
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#93 erstellt: 10. Aug 2007, 12:03

but please do not make comments slighting someone elses system. its not a very nice thing to do.. in the end all of us belong to a very small community

Yes true...didnt feel good reading it

.

But SW, when you wrote this statement

His reference one is a totally different story.It will have the Jaguars and TMC for breakfast.

You should have added a few more words stating that it does so in your system. It would have made sense.

Hope you understand where you have overstepped the limits of acceptance.

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ani
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#94 erstellt: 10. Aug 2007, 12:10

Amen

stevieboy
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#95 erstellt: 10. Aug 2007, 16:30

abhi.pani schrieb:

You should have added a few more words stating that it does so in your system. It would have made sense.

i'm just borrowing abhi's sentence cos it fits my line of thought. so please dont jump on me abhi cos what i'm saying is not targetted at you but everyone.

i think a lot of the posts are moving towards being 'politically correct' and extremely sanitised so as not to offend anyone. guys a little common sense suggests a few things are taken for granted when someone makes a post unless specified otherwise. like he's making the testing with his own system as a reference. the opinions are obviously his own and not gospel truth which he wants to force down everyone's throat. i mean if you're really going to go and take what everyone says at face value and get offended and pretend he's made some far reaching gospel truth that's going to mislead some oh so innocent reader, you and that reader are pretty dumb i must say!

and if anyone wants to take offence go ahead! two hoots to you! go grow some common sense!

if someone makes an unsubstantiated post readers are going to notice that. or maybe some people think only they are smart enough to have caught it? while others will get misled? what arrogance! sheesh.

square_wave
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#96 erstellt: 10. Aug 2007, 16:45

Amen to that.
Have a nice weekend guys and happy listening……

abhi.pani
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#97 erstellt: 10. Aug 2007, 20:35

stevieboy schrieb:

i think a lot of the posts are moving towards being 'politically correct' and extremely sanitised so as not to offend anyone. guys a little common sense suggests a few things are taken for granted when someone makes a post unless specified otherwise. like he's making the testing with his own system as a reference. the opinions are obviously his own and not gospel truth which he wants to force down everyone's throat. i mean if you're really going to go and take what everyone says at face value and get offended and pretend he's made some far reaching gospel truth that's going to mislead some oh so innocent reader, you and that reader are pretty dumb i must say!

Dear Steve,
First of all I am not jumping at you!

I am just trying to justify why I said this:

abhi.pani schrieb:

You should have added a few more words stating that it does so in your system. It would have made sense.

I suppose you understand the audiophile community is very sensitive. Everyone in this hobby is passionate about their equipments, music they use towards fulfilling it.
One needs to take care of those sentiments of fellow audiophiles if he expects the same from them.

Thats the reason we add a humble IMO/IMHO when we are stating an explicit opinion. We are not fools to do that..are we ? We do it just to show some respect towards the sentiments of other audiophiles.

Its not the case when we are debating on a general topic (which is of casual importance). Even with the same audiophiles when we discuss casual topics we rarely use IMO/IMHO (at least I dont use it with my audiophile friends when I am in general discussion) but as soon as audio comes into picture it becomes too sensitive. I just cant say something (biased) and get away unnoticed unless I append a few lines of courtesy (IMO/IMHO or something similar) even though its more or less implied....and that happens even with the closest audiophile friends of mine. I think its nothing more than courtesy which is supposed to be inherent when two audiophiles are discussing audio.
If you still expect a discount

, its okay in a light weight statement but not in extreme statements that our dear friend SW has thrown around in this thread.

I am no policeman to talk about rules in this forum. All, I wanted to emphasize is, a little bit of restraint and respect for the fellow audiophiles is not harmful but the opposite can do a lot of damage to the growth of this community.

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Kamal
Stammgast

#98 erstellt: 10. Aug 2007, 21:16

I think everyone has by now adequately ventilated his opinion quite freely.
We are still friends on the Forum-it is never wise to take such exreme positions that they can be defended only by increasing db levels/unacceptable attacks-this is unhealthy & has the danger of poisoning future interactions.
And if someone does make a rash statement,plz remember we are only human-let us not grab his throat & refuse to let go!
Gentlemen, shall we now ring the closing bell on this argument?

Arj
Inventar

#99 erstellt: 11. Aug 2007, 05:46

Kamal schrieb:

Gentlemen, shall we now ring the closing bell on this argument?

Excellent suggestion Kamalji i am also all for it..

DING !

(Sorry could not resist it)

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stevieboy
Stammgast

#100 erstellt: 11. Aug 2007, 08:59

abhi.pani schrieb:

Thats the reason we add a humble IMO/IMHO when we are stating an explicit opinion. I just cant say something (biased) and get away unnoticed unless I append a few lines of courtesy (IMO/IMHO or something similar) even though its more or less implied....

thats the whole point abhi. my view IMHO

is that all these abbreviations are more 'politically correct' than anything else. obviously if you state something its your opinion

the amusement was more towards people who take offence at the slightest statement and think its gospel truth being forced down their throats like bitter medicine rather than an opinion being expressed.

but the final word,

DONG!

Savyasaachi
Inventar

#101 erstellt: 11. Aug 2007, 09:34

stevieboy schrieb:

abhi.pani schrieb:

thats the whole point abhi. my view IMHO

is that all these abbreviations are more 'politically correct' than anything else. obviously if you state something its your opinion

IMHO---code for "I don't give a rat's a$$ what you think"..