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Shahrukh
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#1 erstellt: 30. Jan 2006, 12:39
Some queries. The bi-wiring bit's been doing the rounds on almost every hifi forum I've visited. I dunno if it's been discussed here before I joined the forum. So here goes:

1 (a): Does biwiring really make a difference? Of late I've been thinking it's purely psychological that I'm hearing differences in sound.

1 (b): Doesn't that jumper do the job? Some say all you need to do is replace the jumpers with bits of good cable. If that is so, why do we have 'bi-wire cables'?

2: Terminations: I use my cables unterminated. I've been told terminations like banana plugs/spades will reduce sound quality. Do they? I've also been told unterminated ends lead to oxidisation, hence reduction in quality. Does it really make a difference? What's the best bet?
Savyasaachi
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#2 erstellt: 30. Jan 2006, 14:04
Dear Shahrukh,
This topic hads been discussed in great detail with nothing of concrete coming out of it.
So let's spare ourselves the trouble by debating about it and adding more MBs of useless stuff to the forum archives..there are tons of MBs of stuff on these very issues which can be got by siply googling..

unless someone can come up with some compelling scientific(none of that i can hear it stuff) proof that there is a difference in SQ...i say lets stay away from this polemic issue.

let me just put it this way..for the guys who can hear the diffrence then they stand to spend a lot of mone trying to eke the maximum out of their system..for the rest of us..its huge savings that will go into some good CDs and beer.. .

best way to lay this issue to rest is to try it out urself and come to a descision.
Of course, let us know what u found out.


Regards,
Savyasaachi


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Shahrukh
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#3 erstellt: 30. Jan 2006, 16:31
Ok, if you had a choice of buying biwire cable or use the cable like a jumper which would you?

And the terminations thing? Is this also a debate? Come on guys, I need your advice!
Bob_Ludwig
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#4 erstellt: 30. Jan 2006, 20:56
Wharfedale Diamond 8.1
Marantz SR 4400

The possibility of hearing a change in this set up is rather slim.

Cables do make a difference.
However, your system should be in a position to 'resolve' to that level. If the set up has the capability to show the difference the 'cable change' will be noticed [heard].

More often than not, in Low-Fi to Mid-Fi syatems the bi-wire options can never be 'heard'. They are just a marketing gimmic to make you buy more gear.

In fact some audio manufacturers [speaker makers specially] strongly recommend against bi-wire - JM Labs / Dynaudio etc. Not that they are 'right' but they have done extensive 'double blind tests' at their end and they cannot tell the difference.

BOB

P.S. However, you may borrow cables from fellow audiophiles and experiment, see [hear] what results you come up with.
Shahrukh
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#5 erstellt: 31. Jan 2006, 08:56
Bob! Thanks for that. However, my query isn't about "which cable will work"? It's more about bi-wiring. Also part two is about terminations. Can someone please throw some light on that?
nindo
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#6 erstellt: 31. Jan 2006, 10:30
as far as terminations are concerned, i suppose using bare wire directly bound/inserted in the spkr port will lead to less electrical losses.

what i mean is no matter how good quality plugs u use, there is always a little resistance offered by it when the currents passes from the wire to the plug and again from the plug to the spkr connect...this results in the so called electrical loss...as far as oxidation of the bare wire is concerned, ofc or electrolytic grade copper does not easily succumb to it (like FE alloys)...

biwiring is one thing even ive been thinkin on but havent gone ahead with it...would like to know more xperiences...

other xplainations r welcome..

thanx / nindo
kvish
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#7 erstellt: 31. Jan 2006, 20:50
I have read in some forums some specific speakers that perform better with biwiring eg. Polk monitor series...
So may be we need a case-by-case study on Bi-wiring
square_wave
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#8 erstellt: 01. Feb 2006, 08:34
You are right. Bi-wiring benefits are design dependant. And your system needs to be resolving enough to let you hear the results. At this level, I believe you should buy the best single wire you can afford. This will give you more bang for the buck.
diskspinner
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#9 erstellt: 01. Feb 2006, 09:09
I have a Philips DVD Player (5106K), Marantz AVR (SR 4500) and a pair of Wharfedale 9.1. I am using Designer Audio Cables for speakers cables and unbranded co-axial Interconnect (supplied by dealer for DVD Player for free). I am thinking of replacing the co-axial Interconnect with QED QUNEX® P75 (co-axial).

Will the upgrade be worth some 2000 rupees or it is better be used for buying CDs or later upgrades?
powersupply
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#10 erstellt: 01. Feb 2006, 09:20
when I had an oppurtunity to listen to this bi-wire experimentation, I noticed that bass was more clean & defined in bi-wire mode.
Shahrukh
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#11 erstellt: 01. Feb 2006, 09:43
What system were you experimenting on, powersupply?
powersupply
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#12 erstellt: 01. Feb 2006, 10:00
Shahrukh, it was not me, one of my friend was experimenting. Eqmnts were Aragon pre/power, Marantz some old model CD player with one external DAC (name I forgot, may be audio lab) & Klipsch RF7 floors & cables were Kimber 8vs & 4vs - bi-wired.
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