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Savyasaachi
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#101 erstellt: 18. Sep 2007, 09:49
Alternative...don't skimp..spend a few grand extra and get a quality preamp..and make that urge to upgrade go away for a while longer...else buckle up and get a DIY design going..
abhi.pani
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#102 erstellt: 18. Sep 2007, 10:00

square_wave schrieb:

abhi.pani schrieb:

square_wave schrieb:

abhi.pani schrieb:

square_wave schrieb:

abhi.pani schrieb:

square_wave schrieb:
Alternatively you may be able to get a Nad or Rotel used pre if you search around for around 10k.


Both these pre-amps are pathetic IMO.
Initially, even I was of the impression that these amplifier companies would definitely make decent pre-amps(something one on budget can trust blindly) but everytime I heard them I was heavily dissapointed .
They were always the weakest link even when the overall system config was in the same entry level range. It could only spoil the sound. I am talking about both Nad and Rotel entry-level pre-amps. Zhop please stay away from them even if you get it for 5k IMO.

Its great that you are going DIY as that means maximum bang for buck....just see to it that you dont experiment too much and just stick to a proven design (if possible listen to it somewhere if you can).
Way to go buddy :prost

So what is a good preamp in the used market for someone with 10k budget if he is looking at branded ?


1. When one is willing to go DIY..it doesnt make sense to assume he is looking at branded pre-amps only.

2. As for pre-amps which I liked much better was the Pulz (you would get one new for around 10k I think) and it kicks ass out of the entry level Nad and Rotel stuffs.
Even I liked the entry level preamp that Siva makes.

For that matter even the Sonodyne pre-amp did really well with their power amp and is working very well with the McCormack DNA-125 being used by one of our forum member Bobbyppl. I am yet to hear it with other power amps so wouldnt comment.

I havent explored the pre-power scenario much because I didnt need one but Nads and Rotels are supposed to be the kings of budget world and their quality (sonically) sucks big time when it comes to pre-amps as compared to their CDP and amps.
Infact I would be astonished if there is an argument on this..its pretty well known I suppose .


Have you done an A/B comparison of newer model preamps from Rotel / nad against the above mentioned Pulz Preamp in the same setup ? What were your observations ? Please be very specific about the music and what you observed in detail. Please mention the associated electronics also.

Everything in audio is very open to argument. I will be very astonished if it is not.
I was talking about branded preamps only. Please see the word ‘ALTERNATIVELY “ in my statement regarding the same.

Which model preamp from Rotel or Nad is crap for 5K used ? Why ? Please be specific on what is available in the market for that money and how that component will surpass the above mentioned Nad or Rotel model. Please mention engineering specifics or musical specifics based on your observations ?


You know what....your post doesnt seem to aim at helping Zhopudey or learning/listening from a fellow forum member...it looks disgusting .

Replying to this post doesnt make a lot of sense but still for the sake of making things clearer...here it goes


I was talking about branded preamps only. Please see the word ‘ALTERNATIVELY “ in my statement regarding the same.


I wouldnt care for that word "ALTERNATIVELY" even if I read your post 10 times because it makes no sense to me. When a product is crap...its crap no matter what...anyone reccommending such a product will always draw similar comments from me.images/smilies/insane.gif


Have you done an A/B comparison of newer model preamps from Rotel / nad against the above mentioned Pulz Preamp in the same setup ?


WOAH WOAH!!!
How many times do we get to compare two completely different brands of equipments from different region exactly with the same setup ????????
If it was only for argument that you have asked this...enjoy yourself sir!!...we dont have such facilities/tie-up with dealers at our end..sorryimages/smilies/insane.gif .
But for your info, I have heard the Pulz pre-amp with Rotel RB-991 power amp as well as one of the Nad pre-amp (I dont remember the model)...Nad was super-dry, no bass, bright kind of sound while Pulz was very balanced, a bit-warm with very tuneful bass. Speakers wharfdale diamond 8.4/9.5 in the first case and Tannoy floorstanders (costing around 28k, dont remember the model) in the second case.

I have also heard the Nad C162 pre-amp and my conclusion didnt change.
Another such crap from Rotel was RC-1070 in my experience.
Again, I have heard this pre-amp with Rotel RB-991 but with Klipsch speakers.


Which model preamp from Rotel or Nad is crap for 5K used ? Why ? Please be specific on what is available in the market for that money and how that component will surpass the above mentioned Nad or Rotel model.


I have already mentioned which pre-amps I liked more for that kind of price. And for your info, I dont own any of these..unlike.. . So there is no biasing here.


Please mention engineering specifics or musical specifics based on your observations ?


Engineering specifics: You shouldnt be bothered about that because you were the one who always stood on top of Qutb-Minar and claimed you dont care about brand, engineering, specs, build, looks and all those crap...all you care about is sound.

Musical Specifics: I have already given above.


No specifics.
No conclusion drawn based on direct AB comparisons
No alternative 5k preamp.
No engineering specifics or direct AB comparison review to validate your claim that there is another 5k preamp is there to beat them.

So it is just your opinion which is VERY open to argument. Great.


You can add one more:
No mud-slinging...you look very happy doing it..good for you. Go and buy some 20 Nad pre-amps and dump yourself underneath the garbage .

Savyasaachi wrote:

I agree with abhi that the NAD preamps sound anal...not worth the 5k even if you got it new..


Cmon...do you have a 10 page thesis on the engineering specifics of the preamp ?? If not you are shot (by a Leo Toys Gun)

Zhop,
This is my last post.


[Beitrag von abhi.pani am 18. Sep 2007, 10:05 bearbeitet]
square_wave
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#103 erstellt: 18. Sep 2007, 10:08

Savyasaachi schrieb:
Alternative...don't skimp..spend a few grand extra and get a quality preamp..and make that urge to upgrade go away for a while longer...else buckle up and get a DIY design going..


I think he is on a budget Sachi.
Aren’t there a lot of simple budget preamp kits out there ? The tube kind maybe ? Something he could probably import and assemble.
Can you afford this one ?
http://www.transcendentsound.com/preampkit.htm
Awesome preamplifier. A friend of mine has it in Bangalore.
Are you based in Bangalore zhupudey? If you are interested, you can come home with your amp and speakers. I can hook it up anyway you want with my cd player with volume control or using my valve preamp. What say ? Just to check it out.
square_wave
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#104 erstellt: 18. Sep 2007, 10:11
[quote="abhi.pani"][quote="square_wave"][quote="abhi.pani"][quote="square_wave"][quote="abhi.pani"][quote="square_wave"][quote="abhi.pani"][quote="square_wave"]Alternatively you may be able to get a Nad or Rotel used pre if you search around for around 10k.
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Dear Abhi,
I do not own a preamp from both of these brands either. I personally do not like them. Most DIY budget kits will beat them big time. Just curious about your claim that there are 5k alternatives to them. Nothing more.


[Beitrag von square_wave am 18. Sep 2007, 10:13 bearbeitet]
zhopudey
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#105 erstellt: 18. Sep 2007, 10:21

Savyasaachi schrieb:
Alternative...don't skimp..spend a few grand extra and get a quality preamp..and make that urge to upgrade go away for a while longer...else buckle up and get a DIY design going..


Spending a few grand more will certainly cure upgraditis. I'll be broke!
zhopudey
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#106 erstellt: 18. Sep 2007, 10:27

square_wave schrieb:

Are you based in Bangalore zhupudey? If you are interested, you can come home with your amp and speakers. I can hook it up anyway you want with my cd player with volume control or using my valve preamp. What say ? Just to check it out.


Well, problem is, I'm in mumbai. And that too quite far off from other mumbai members.
square_wave
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#107 erstellt: 18. Sep 2007, 10:31
Mumbai is so full of audiophiles. I wish somebody would help you out.
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