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Basic AVR and small speakers (without Sub) for under 25K.+A -A |
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aks07
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#1 erstellt: 07. Jan 2008, 17:02 | ||
I am not too much of an HT guy and left to my own, I would never have considered one. But we are remodelling our home and in 2008 any self respecting guy must have an HT in the bedroom. So here we go. I initially thought of an HTiB solution and checked out the usual suspects. At the time performance was not a major criteria (apart from HDMI connectivity) and I had few expectations to start with. But even my lowered threshold was shattered by the stuff available in the market. It was terrible. All budget HTiB have very poor performance; be it video quality, acoustics or build. There is just no connect between the surround speakers and the sub. Mid bass is simply absent and whatever passes of as bass is a jumble of peaks and bumps designed to fatigue the ears. One exception was the JAMO DMR61 but at Rs.37k (for the main unit only) it is way beyond my budget. So very reluctantly, I am having to up my budget and forgo some of the convenience that come with an HtiB solution. I am prepared to look at separate DVDp and AVR and invest in basis but decent Front/Surround speakers. I will add a monster SUB that I intend to build. It will be powered by the Oaudio BASH 500watts plate amp and employ a Lambda Acoustics 12” woofer. That is another story and we shall cover that in the diy section. I am currently looking at the following: AVR I am looking for a basic 5.1 amp within a budget of Rs 15K. 70% HT use and rest for casual music sessions (mostly FM or Worldspace). These are the entry level amps I can see on internet. - Yamaha HTR-5930 - Marantz SR 301 - Yamaha RX-V359 - Yamaha RX-V457 - Yamaha RX-V459 - Yamaha YHT-270 - Onkyo TX-SR304S Speaker For speakers my primary selection criteria (besides cost) is Size. I just don't have space for a Floor-stander and the speaker will need to be mounted up in the corner at a height of about 7ft and aimed at the listening position. I may consider Bookshelf for the Front speakers, but for surrounds it will need to be the smallest size possible. - At the moment I can only find the Sonodyne Cinque Front/Rear and Centre. I am not very keen on the Genie series mainly due to the high price. I request opinion on my choice of AVR and suitability of the Sonodyne Cinque speakers. I am personally torn between the Marantz SR301 and the Onkyo TX-SR304. The SR301 was mentioned by abhi.pani as a good AVR. . Having said that I am not discounting the Yamaha. I was earlier looking at the HTR-5930 but per accounts the RX series seems preferred by people who know these stuffs. Some more details: I will probably get the Pioneer DV 400 @ Rs. 6,895.00 (Incl. VAT) or the Sony DVP-NS76H at Rs. 5,899 (Incl. VAT) with the HDMI cable thrown in. I have had good experience with Pioneer DVDp, but the Sony offer looks more attractive. To summarise: - Need Basic AVR for under Rs 15K. Minimum features should include individual channel trimming, selectable crossover, at least 2 analogue inputs and at least 70 WPC - Matching Speakers (Surrounds/Main/Centre) for under Rs 10K. Should be small enough to be put up on walls and be able to reproduce down to at least 80Hz, The Marantz SR301 + Sonodyne Cinque somewhat fit into this criteria. However, as you can see I am utterly confused at the moment so your valued suggestions are highly appreciated. |
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abhi.pani
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#2 erstellt: 07. Jan 2008, 17:18 | ||
SR-301 is a terrific VFM AVR...if you are concerned about SQ. |
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Krish
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#3 erstellt: 08. Jan 2008, 07:37 | ||
Hi, The Denon 1508 is supposed to be good. I think it should be available in the grey market for around Rs 15 K or thereabouts. Cheers K |
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aks07
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#4 erstellt: 08. Jan 2008, 08:09 | ||
Thanks Marantz is of-course in my priority list, but I had really no considered the Denon. Are the budgets Denon good for the money? That AVR-1508 surely looks loaded with features. I am more confused now What are the grey market (banglore/mumbai/chennai/delhi) prices of the Marantz SR301 and Denon AVR-1508? With papers (1 yrs warranty) I have been quoted Rs.16.5K for the Marantz. The AVR-1508 is 7.1 channel. I will be perfectly happy with a 5.1 system, although I have pre-wired my room to accept a rear centre channel as a future upgrade. Thanks again. |
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souravin
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#5 erstellt: 08. Jan 2008, 12:11 | ||
Pioneer DV 400 is an excellent choice. Go for it. Personally I use a pair of Sonodyne bookself speakers along with ICON sub-woofer (got from Digital Accoustics, Kolkata) for my bedroom setup(size 12 X 10). Sonodyne is VFM and good SQ choice for your bedroom. Enjoy Sourav |
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Krish
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#6 erstellt: 08. Jan 2008, 13:26 | ||
Bombay.There is this place called Alpha at Vileparle.I'm sure that you should be able to get the Denon within your budget.Grey ofcourse. |
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Krish
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#7 erstellt: 08. Jan 2008, 13:30 | ||
I called Profx, the official dealers who quoted a price of 24,900 (before discount). http://www.profx.com/contact.htm Perhaps you could call the Cal branch and see if they will do a deal for you. Cheers |
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aks07
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#8 erstellt: 08. Jan 2008, 15:54 | ||
Thanks for the help. I have an update on the situation. This afternoon I was able to audition the following: - Sonodyne Cinque package with the Sonodyne AVR 300 - Yamaha RX-V359 with Yamaha Bookshelf speakers as front and surrounds. Later the package was reversed with the Sonodyne powering Yamaha and vice versa. Sub woofer was a down fining Sonodyne in both cases. My impression. The AVR 300 at Rs. 17K is miles ahead of the RX-V359, though the later has more options/settings/frill than I would ever need. The AVR300 appeared to be a little long in tooth, but for a tech oriented guy like me, looked better VFM. RX-V359 at Rs. 19.2K just pales in overall appeal against the AVR300. Yamaha brand may command a premium, but at least I am not buying it. I may change this opinion if the RX-V359 can be had for less than Rs. 15K. On our demo Yamaha FM reception was just about ok, but on the Sonodyne it was outstanding. Maybe our demo Yamaha was a bad piece The Sonodyne subwoofer too was a pleasant surprise. It was able to continuously produce very low level bass notes with great finesse. The demo DVD was Laura Craft.Tomb Raider. I am now more or less decided on the Cinque package, but the lack of midbass and somewhat tiny reproduction from the centre channel is bothering me. Howe ever, at approx Rs.1.5k each its tremendous VFM. I was keen to audiotion the Sonodyne Bookself range, but unfortunatly it was not avialble for demo. Krish-ji Thanks for the info. Do you have any contact details for Alpha at Ville Parle? Is there any possibility to find out the cost of Marantz SR301 from them? souravin-ji In mid 90's there Mirage invisible speakers were quite popular. Interesting that they are still around. Do then have any Satellite and Center channel speakers? Thanks |
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abhi.pani
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#9 erstellt: 08. Jan 2008, 16:15 | ||
Hi Aks, If you go by my previous posts on this forum, I had repeatedly recommended Sonodyne AVR and their satts for HT over most imported brands (barring Marantz). I wouldnt comment on their subs as I have not heard them in a proper configuration/room. I may still prefer the Sr-301 over the Sonodyne AVR as the 301 is almost as musical as any stereo amp of the same price. As for the cinique package, they are good VFM but as you said they are not as refined as we would like to have it, a bit shrill and tinny sounding...you can think of a dedicated bookshelf just for the center though. |
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aks07
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#10 erstellt: 09. Jan 2008, 05:46 | ||
Abhi.pani-ji My last encounter with Sonodyne electronics was in 80's and their horrendous range of Uranus and similar plastic amps. So I was not expecting much So it was a pleasant surprise. I am sure Asoke Mukerjee is now back to doing what he did best- building great products as they did in mid 70's. I think general crowd will prefer the Yamaha. It has that compressed, bright short of sonic that stands out in the first listening. Sonodyne is a little more laid back and overall more musical. Yamaha sounds more powerful at the first listen, but careful audition will reveal that Sonodyne has more grunt and handles dynamics more sublimely. It actually reminded me of my valve amps ! Perhaps the above mentioned qualities of Yamaha makes it a better HT amps. For me its now Sonodyne against Marantz as both cost same. I would have gone for Sonodyne blindly; but it seems a little dated. So unless Marantz really screws up in my next audition, AVR300 it is for me. One question: How would you guys benchmark the Cinque against other similarly sized Sats? The Cinque package was below my expectation, but I guess considering the size/spec/price they did just fine. I will be open to a better option in the same category. And finally, what is the verdict on Onkyo TX-SR304S . I am getting it for Rs. 15K but no possibility for a demo. |
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Krish
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#11 erstellt: 09. Jan 2008, 07:45 | ||
Not off hand, but lemme check. Manek has auditioned the Sonodyne sub and has a similar opinion. The price seems attractive as well.22K if I'm not mistaken Perhaps this could be the best subwoofer bargain to be had. On another note maybe you should check Lithos for speakers.I've heard them and they are pretty good. More info here www.lithosindia.com. Cheers K [Beitrag von Krish am 09. Jan 2008, 07:47 bearbeitet] |
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Amp_Nut
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#12 erstellt: 09. Jan 2008, 08:42 | ||
aks07 said :
Alpha Electronics, Mumbai : 022- 2628 5871 I called them - Marantz 301 not in ready stock. He say he could try to get it. Budgetary estimate Rs 12 K. I dont shop from Alpha because its the other side of town for me, but have been toold their prices are good ... |
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aks07
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#13 erstellt: 10. Jan 2008, 09:07 | ||
Thanks Krish-ji and Amp_Nut-ji I had guessed the cost of SR-301 to be about that in Mumbai. I am emailing Lithos about their smallest speakers. Any references from this forum that I should mention? |
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particleman
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#14 erstellt: 10. Jan 2008, 11:09 | ||
Have you considered the Mordaunt Short Alumni & Premiere series (both available from www.fxentertainment.in)? Very good looking, polished satellites. Believe stereo pair around 10k, center speaker around 7k. Not sure how they compare to Cinque or others like Wharfedale Moviestar. A big problem may be the audition as they do not have a showroom here in Mumbai but their dealer Sharper Image (Worli) may be able to help. Cambridge Audio(!) also makes a nice pair of stereo speakers (7k) but no center. Also for your DVD please see if you can get Pioneer DV-600AV instead. Adds SACD/DVD-A capability and a nicer DAC. Believe price is around 9k (grey) but have not found it in Mumbai. |
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Krish
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#15 erstellt: 10. Jan 2008, 11:35 | ||
Ditto that.F'rinstance the new 80 GB Ipod is available for Rs.10 K. Aksji, I have spoken to Rajeev of Lithos one odd time.But he's a really sweet chap, very helpful.Might help if you called and spoke to him directly. K [Beitrag von Krish am 10. Jan 2008, 11:40 bearbeitet] |
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particleman
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#16 erstellt: 13. Jan 2008, 13:12 | ||
Isn't the SR-3001 just a few thousand more than it? If the SR-301 is 12k surely the SR-3001 should be 16-18k for the added benefit of HDCD, video upconversion and 32-bit DSP. |
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aks07
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#17 erstellt: 14. Jan 2008, 08:31 | ||
Krish-ji I will call up Shri Rajeev later today. Will keep you informed. hello particleman-ji Which model of MS you recommend? Its substantially more that my budget, but I would like to have a demo when possible. As for Marantz SR301, one esteemed member is working out a deal for me It suits my purpose and means at the moment, so I guess I will stick to it. What are the other budget speakers one may look at? |
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particleman
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#18 erstellt: 14. Jan 2008, 09:17 | ||
Aks-ji, I had the Mordaunt-Short Avant-Premiere Series in mind: Mordaunt-Short Premiere Home Cinema Should work out to around 17k for 4xsatellites + 1xcenter. I have the MS 906i which seems to have similar construction in larger form and I am happy with its sparkly but not bright engaging sound. There is also Mordaunt-Short Carnival that should be around 11k for a full 5.0 set but I don't know about its quality. I don't think it would be very good. These are the only two budget speakers I know of. I am myself planning for a 5.1 set down the road for my old AVR and was considering 4 x MS Avant 902i & 1 x Avant 905i (around 26k total). As the esteemed members here have suggested Lithos it is surely the ideal choice. As for the AVR, yes if the SR-301 is available for 12k thats great especially if the SR-3001 does not have a similarly low price. |
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Edges
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#19 erstellt: 14. Jan 2008, 13:15 | ||
Hi all, can anyone tell me where can i get marantz 4002/5002 receivers here in bangalore grey market? Thanks in advance! Edges |
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eric_clapton
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#20 erstellt: 14. Jan 2008, 13:23 | ||
[Beitrag von eric_clapton am 14. Jan 2008, 13:24 bearbeitet] |
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aks07
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#21 erstellt: 16. Jan 2008, 15:31 | ||
A respected Mumbai based member has bought the Marantz SR-301 for me. I thank him and all here (particularly abhi.pani-ji) who recommended this basic AVR. I have never heard a Marantz AVR (not counting the Marantz 8 laying with me – awaiting restoration) but I trust the opinion of forum members. So thanks again. Particleman-ji I am seriously re-considering the decision to buy Sonodyne Cinque. The MS Premiere is looking good. If it is indeed Rs. 14 (minus sub) then I am in for it. DO you recommend a dealer? eric_clapton-ji I just checked out those driver. Available for US$10 each at Partsexpress. At that cost they look too good to pass over. Now need to find a mule to ferry 6 of those drivers back to india. I am slowly realising that its no longer a very low budget setup, but I am sure it will be a significant improvement on a Rs. 15K HTiB. |
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particleman
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#22 erstellt: 16. Jan 2008, 16:54 | ||
Aks-ji, you can read a review on the Premiere package here: HCC Review. The distributor for MS in India is FX Entertainment. I will PM further details to you. I hope their dealer in Worli will be able to arrange an audition for you. I am happy with their 906i speakers so I hope these are good enough as well. Have only heard Sonodyne briefly so I am in no position to compare them. |
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aks07
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#23 erstellt: 17. Jan 2008, 05:51 | ||
particleman-ji With your excellent and well researched advices, I'm getting more confused by the day But seriously, I appreciate the help. Prior to discussions at this thread, my decision making was much poorer. I am happier now. How about Mission? Who deals with them in India. Around late 90's I had heard a stereo pair of floorstander and really liked them. Has anybody heard of “Rave Acoustics”? There is a package of Rave Acoustics Bookshelf and Center speaker listed for Rs. 5,000 at hometheaters.ecrater.com. They describe it as “Old Unsold Stock Clearance Sale”. If indeed they are as good as being claimed, then it is incredible VFM. I am not too concerned about the brand name. [Beitrag von aks07 am 17. Jan 2008, 05:54 bearbeitet] |
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abhi.pani
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#24 erstellt: 17. Jan 2008, 07:50 | ||
Hi Aks, Good Morning !! I know a bit about Rave acoustics....AFAIK they are just some low-fi stuffs...skip them. I have a suggestion if you are looking for a good sounding but inexpensive speakers....Have you heard about Space Audio ?? They are a Mumbai based audio equipment manufacturer (mostly into speakers). I have heard their speakers (satts and bookshelves), very decent sound for the money. They should be in your budget. I liked them more than the Sonodyne Cinique. I know the dealer who deals with them in Bangalore...I am sure they would have a dealer in Delhi as well. They had a website but I am not able to find it. Let me confirm with the Bangalore dealer about their prices once again. BTW, I hope you would like the AVR . |
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abhi.pani
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#25 erstellt: 17. Jan 2008, 10:46 | ||
Here is the one I was talking about: Space Audio: http://www.spaceaudioinc.com/index.htm There is a Delhi dealer as well. The sub-satt combo SM-10X is priced at 19k. I suppose you can get a demo. |
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Arj
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#26 erstellt: 18. Jan 2008, 05:08 | ||
aks07-ji, Kya HT-Wechtee ke chakkar mein phas rahe ho. 2 ears = 2 speakers ..to stereo se hi accha kaam chal jaata hai Jokes apart, if you are really not that nit-picky go with the marantz/Yamaha AVR + Sonodyne sat setup. this should be more than enough for cable/vcd/radio use. and the difference in quality on Good DVDs should not be very different in the entry level range.. |
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particleman
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#27 erstellt: 18. Jan 2008, 08:04 | ||
aks-ji, I am sorry to have been the source of more confusion As stated above, I think all these options should be as good as each other. My suggestion was based in large part on the assumption that you were in Mumbai and could easily audition the Mordaunt-Short speakers. If Sonodyne has the backing of the vastly experienced members here then surely they must be the ideal way forward. The Missions may be excellent speakers but I am sure they are significantly more expensive than any of the others mentioned here. Happy listening! |
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aks07
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#28 erstellt: 18. Jan 2008, 17:00 | ||
Thanks all for the help. Humko bhi yeh bujha raha hai ki ei sub bekar ka kharcha ba...lekin kaa kari....humri missuz ko philum ka bahut shauk hai.... I am getting a good deal on Sonodyne Cinque. List price Rs. 8,750. Discounted Rs. 7,200. So I guess my budget is under control Marantz SR301 : Rs. 12,000 Cinque Sat & Centre: Rs. 7,200 2mm OFC Cable : Rs. 2,500 (30 meters) But it seems my DIY sub is going to be the most expensive piece. Already bought the following LAMBDA Acoustics 12” Woofer : Rs. 11,000 (Approx landed in India) Oaudio 500 watts Plate Amp : Rs. 12,500 (approx landed in India) Need the buy the following: 8ft x 4ft sheet of MDF (19mm thickness) : Approx Rs. 2,800 Birch Wood Veneer : Approx Rs. 1500 Consumables : Approx Rs. 300 I may need to invest in a new Router. Rs. 8,000 more though it will be used elsewhere also. I will also need additional C Clamps to hold the box while the glue sets. Not so cheap at the end of the day |
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abhi.pani
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#29 erstellt: 18. Jan 2008, 17:13 | ||
Aap Mahaan ho... |
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aks07
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#30 erstellt: 18. Jan 2008, 19:12 | ||
Arrey aagyan...kono kahibi...mo stree sam'na re sobu chhu mantar hai jayei Se jete belle paisa ro hisab kitab maange, mo abasta full tight ....ati dukho ro kotha |
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aks07
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#31 erstellt: 19. Jan 2008, 09:05 | ||
Continuing with my cheapster theme, how about these DIY sat and centre speakers. 4” Bolton fullrange with a cheap and cheerful Peizo Tweeter. Rs. 275 for Bolton and Rs. 75 for the tweeter. Plywood from a left over construction. Only investment it now needs in dressing up with a nice wood veneer and it will look like one of those MS or Jamo speakers. Less than Rs. 500 for each speaker box. And if you feel that “audiophile” urge then, lets replace that peizo tweeter with something better and throw in a proper 2 way XO. Still we are under Rs. 750/each. Sat Centre http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v452/corbato/Image050.jpg |
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poochandy
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#32 erstellt: 20. Jan 2008, 15:07 | ||
hi akso7, from where did u get the bolton fullrange drivers?? |
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superczar
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#33 erstellt: 11. Feb 2008, 23:08 | ||
the DIYs may be OK for surrounds but whatever you do, do NOT compromise on the centers Postpone the center for a while if you need to... A full range , good quality center is almost as important for movies as a good front pair is for music |
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aks07
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#34 erstellt: 12. Feb 2008, 14:13 | ||
poochandy-ji sorry for being so late in responding. Those Bolton's were picked up from Chandni market in CCU. But be warned that nowadays only thing consisted about BOLTON is lack of quality. So you need to get a bunch and test each of them. They dont come with any published specs. superczar-ji Because I am concerned about centre channel fidelity, I am not buying the Sonodyne Cinque. I am now importing Full range Tang Band W4-657SH 4" Aluminum cone Drivers from Partsexpress. http://www.partsexpr...7&PartNumber=264-816 It suits my all objectives regarding speakers. 1.Cheap. (under Rs,6,000 for 5 channels0 2.Simplicity: No cumbersome XO needs 3.Small form factor. Most important for my situation. With a vented box the -3dB response is down to 60hz. I am still not sure how the top end will sound but reports look good. I am importing an extra driver to be safe or in case I decide to put a 6.1 AVR in future. I have pre-wired the bedroom for 6 channels. |
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aks07
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#35 erstellt: 25. Nov 2008, 07:53 | ||
Hell everybody Just to update. I have completed this HT setup. The AVR is a basic Marantz 301 costing only Rs. 12,000. This was recommended strongly by abhi.pani-ji and I have no cause to regret. It’s a beautiful piece of equipment. The SQ is very good and the digital processing is absolutely perfect. Thanks for the suggestion But the biggest thanks go to shri amp_nut. He managed to locate and source one Marantz 301 for me in Mumbai. He was also gracious enough to send it to my contact in Mumbai for further processing. A BIG thanks to you Sir. The subwoofer for this venture is described in the DIY section. DIY Subwoofer with Lambda Acoustics SB12 driver Thanks again all of those who gave valuable advices. I now have a simple but good HT system and quite pleased. |
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Manek
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#36 erstellt: 25. Nov 2008, 13:17 | ||
What about ur speakers sir ? Manek |
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aks07
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#37 erstellt: 26. Nov 2008, 11:52 | ||
DIY obviously |
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square_wave
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#38 erstellt: 26. Nov 2008, 15:29 | ||
Aks-ji, Where did you pick up this Av Reciever for 12 k ? Is this new ? [Beitrag von square_wave am 26. Nov 2008, 15:31 bearbeitet] |
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aks07
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#39 erstellt: 26. Nov 2008, 18:23 | ||
Forum member Amp_Nut-ji worked his Mumbai underworld contacts and secured a brand new SR301. This AVR was recomendded by abhi.pani-ji and I am absolutely satisfied. |
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square_wave
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#40 erstellt: 02. Dez 2008, 15:00 | ||
Thanks Aks |
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