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raj
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#1 erstellt: 10. Jan 2006, 11:14 | |||
I am looking to buy a subwoofer. I have a 2 channel set up with floorstanders and am looking at adding a sub to supplement the bottom end in the 30 –50 Hz range mainly for movies and at times music. Budget is around Rs.20,000/- and I am considering Sonodyne 2815, Yamaha YST-SW315 and Polk PSW404. Please let me have your opinions on these and any other subs that I should consider. Some other names that I have come across are Boston, Wharfedale, Velodyne, Deftech and Mirage. Are these in my price range and how do they compare? Thanks Raj |
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Behram
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#2 erstellt: 18. Jan 2006, 11:23 | |||
Hello Raj, Are you aware of the fact that it is quite difficult to match a sub woofer with floor standing speakers. You would be better off without them. Matching is very critical in placement, sensitivity, nodes, peaks etc. If you require additional bass jack up your bass control or better still use an equalizer. Behram. |
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Bob_Ludwig
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#3 erstellt: 18. Jan 2006, 12:23 | |||
I would tend to agree with Behram in all except the 'equalizer' part. Avoid the Sub-Woofers. If you still need them, then install 2 of them. However, at 20K you will not be in a position to get even 1 of tham [half descent]. What you will get will be subs that will play very well between 40 Hzs & 100 Hzs. That you do not need. You need one that plays very clean between 25-30 to 60 & those kind of subwoofers cost 50K & up. Sorry ! BOB |
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soulforged
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#4 erstellt: 18. Jan 2006, 12:39 | |||
Hey Raj, Which floorstanders do you have? If you must go for a sub, better go for the same make, preferably from the same series. That way at least the timbre would be matched. Floorstanders should be able to provide with enough bass effect. Like suggested above, crank up your bass and see, else maybe look at another amp. |
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abhi.pani
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#5 erstellt: 18. Jan 2006, 12:53 | |||
What Behram says is right...regarding matching the Towers with a sub. In any case what towers are you using ? Its normally good if you can get the sub from the same family. Among the subs check out Velodyne, Deftech, Wharfdale SW-250 |
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Arj
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#6 erstellt: 18. Jan 2006, 16:20 | |||
well.. I have managed to integrate a sub quite well and though it is not easy it is well worth the effort. (I had to use an SPL meter as well) It was a pleasure to see a almost flat response down to 22 hz.. something a full range would give me only with 5X the price. So if you can do it do it. most people are not happy with a sub only because either the Gain or the corssovefr and most usually bot are set too high. The real fun in a subwoofer is when you do not really hear it but if it is off you really miss it. was really surprised to hear the various harmonics of music which were usually unheard before even with a floorstander which went down to 35 [Beitrag von Arj am 18. Jan 2006, 16:21 bearbeitet] |
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Behram
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#7 erstellt: 18. Jan 2006, 17:21 | |||
Dear Arj, Where do you get an SPL meter from and what is the cost ? Is it frequency selectable ? If I feed a Pink Noise in the input of my system can I analyze each individual frequency seperately ? Behram. |
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Arj
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#8 erstellt: 18. Jan 2006, 20:46 | |||
behram, I am currently in Paris hence was able to procure it. i just fed sine waves at various frequencies and plotted the SPL curves at my listening position. since my sub also allowes for continuous phase control, it was diffcult placing. But I used a simulation software for optimising the placement of the speakers with minimum standing waves. some instructions on using it are in the below post http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=176978 |
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raj
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#9 erstellt: 19. Jan 2006, 09:57 | |||
Hi guys. Sorry I could not respond earlier as I was out of station. I have Coda 90 speakers with a NAD 320 amp. I am satisfied with the set-up for music. I also use this for movies and am thinking of adding a subwoofer to convert it to a 2.1 system which I can use mainly for movies and maybe some music. I agree that when the bass setting on the amp is turned up (to almost max) the bass is quite good. I expect that if I add a sub the overall impact will be much more. Further I feel that with the bass setting turned up to maximum the amp heats up quite a bit especially when playing music at higher volumes. Also I fear that the speakers may be affected over a period of time. Therefore I am thinking of a sub so that I can leave the bass setting on the amp at neutral. I am considering the Sonodyne 2815 (Rs18 K) or Polk (PSW 404/ 505: 20k/26K). Any advises (including ditching the sub) welcome. Regards Raj |
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Behram
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#10 erstellt: 19. Jan 2006, 10:39 | |||
Now that you've listed the equipment, it is obvious why you find the low end lacking. I have never used NAD but whatever little I've heard in some showrooms, all NADs sound flat. Moreover the KEF Coda 90 is also lean in Bass. Refer to some reviews posted on http://www.audiorevi...594crx.aspx#reviews. First push your speakers closer to the wall or corner to increase bass as per your liking. Ofcourse you would be trading it off for Ambience. If it still does not sound right, go in for subs. One of the reviewers above has a Pioneer sub connected and is happy. Best of luck. Behram. |
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abhi.pani
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#11 erstellt: 19. Jan 2006, 12:08 | |||
Try Wharfdale sw250 |
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raj
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#12 erstellt: 19. Jan 2006, 14:28 | |||
Thanks Behram & Abhi. I do like the sound of the Coda and the bass is also OK except that it does not have the earth shaking effect that subs do. I don’t know any floorstanders in the Rs. 25K range (paid for the Coda) that have that kind of capacity. As regards Wharfedale SW250 it is priced at Rs. 39K- well beyond budget. Trying to decide beween Sonodyne and Polk. Raj |
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abhi.pani
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#13 erstellt: 19. Jan 2006, 14:39 | |||
Try Definitive Technology sub....it comes in 20k....awesome. Also if you can extend your budget to 25k then you can get Velodyne, best in the budget. Among Sonodyne and Polk, its going to Sonodyne for me. They gel very well for music as well. Polk only serves HT well. |
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square_wave
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#14 erstellt: 19. Jan 2006, 15:34 | |||
As others suggested, getting a good sub which extends down to even 25hz cleanly without booming is not possible at 20k. I guess you are looking for a sub which will enhance movies with some room shaking effect and maybe add some low end when you listen to techno, trance, rock etc….. So let’s forget audiophile grade subs. You just need something which will do the job decently. I would suggest you look at the lithos subwoofer. Or try something from wharfedale like the SW 150. I have not heard the polks so can’t comment. Stay clear from the sonodynes. The SW150 in my opinion is the best branded sub at that price point from what I heard. The Lithos is manufactured by Lithos acoustics and sounds far better than most branded ones at this price point. http://www.lithosindia.com/Home.htm |
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Arj
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#15 erstellt: 19. Jan 2006, 15:57 | |||
for subs for music, either you need to go for the expensive RELS/Velodynes/SVS etc or else I would recommend the local brands like lithos/AP... etc etc. as long as they have -phase adjustment - go down to around 30 hz - Have Speaker level connections (Not just LFE/RCA) - good quality drivers and amplifiers. (I have not heard them) I am not a great fan of the directly available cheper subs like Wharfedale,JBL,KEF andthey are not resolving in the areas they need to be. in the expensive region the Klipsch/Infinity etc were also not good enough. a 8 or 10 inch sub with around 100-200 W will do for most rooms as the key os to get the right gain not a high gain I did hear a Sonodyne once and had to run away.. |
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Arj
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#16 erstellt: 19. Jan 2006, 16:14 | |||
regarding matching tonality, what is important is , what is the 3 db point of you main speakers. if they extend to below 50 hz, then the tonality of the sub is not really important. It is necessary to realise that the ear is the most sensitive in the 2Khz to 6Khz region. it is moderately sensitive to around 200 hz (I think) below 100 hz bass is non directional but some folks can still feel its direction till around 50 hz From 20-50 it is not at all directional and you cannot localise the position of the sub neither can you make out the tonality as it is not just the quality of the sound but also the amount of "Air" that can be moved which is important. below 20 it is purely tactile and you mostly feel the sound. Moving air needs POWER and hence for proper feel of music at those levels you either need full rangers with a powerful amp or else a SUB to bolster it. Hence coming back to the point; if your towers do around 45 hz, then a crossover at around 35-40 (Usually the 6db for ported speakers) and a gain at the lowest possible will make you enjoy your music much more |
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SDhawan
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#17 erstellt: 19. Jan 2006, 20:32 | |||
Dear Raj, I also have Coda 90 driven by NAD 320BEE and I find that the bass is quite good. According to speaker specifications it goes down to 38 Hz. I haven't measured it. I also have a HT system - Marantz with Boston Floorstanders, Bookshelves for surround and a Sub (PV 500) - very good for movies or when you want to party or your kids want to play "Bunty & Bubbly" songs. But not for pure music. Don't waste you money on Sub - use to for something else, may be upgrade your CD player if required. Warm regards Dr. Sanjay Dhawan |
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square_wave
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#18 erstellt: 20. Jan 2006, 08:56 | |||
Guys, There are folks who are not too particular about the resolving capability or musicality of subs when it comes to watching an occasional movie or partying. I personally know a hard core audiophile who has a klipsch sub tucked away under a table and turns it on only when he watches movies. He does not want to spend too much money on it as it is not too important for him. In fact the sub costs less than the all the cables he uses for his main stereo system. Good subs cost a bomb and you need a treated room/parametric equalizer to get it sound right. I felt Raj is not a guy who goes to such extremes, so suggested the Lithos or wharfedales which are decent for the money you pay. They are not audiophile stuff, but will do the job for a casual enthusiast.His budget is low and he needs the best bang for the buck. If I was in his shoes, I would sell the codas and add the sub money and go for a better floorstander with good bass extension. [Beitrag von square_wave am 20. Jan 2006, 09:03 bearbeitet] |
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abhi.pani
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#19 erstellt: 20. Jan 2006, 11:12 | |||
Ditto.....here. I think its the best possible option. |
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raj
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#20 erstellt: 20. Jan 2006, 17:18 | |||
Thanks for all the responses. It has been enlightening. Square Wave is perfectly right in his assessment of my requirements. His other suggestion to sell the Coda and buy higher end speakers is also interesting. Assuming I am able to sell the Coda for 15K, adding the 20K budgeted for the sub I will have 35 to 40K for new floorstanders. Any suggestions on what could be considered at this range – which should also be able to take care of my bass requirements. As regards Lithos sub this has an acoustic crossover at 150 hz. Would this not pose a problem in terms of matching it with the Coda which goes down to about 40/45 hz. Arj mentioned about speaker level connections on the sub as an essential feature. Any reason for this. Regards Raj |
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Arj
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#21 erstellt: 20. Jan 2006, 19:39 | |||
Not so true. if you want true bass extension, a Sub is a cheaper option than a full range with the same paramaters. and irrespective of the Sub/Floorstanders a treated room/equalisation will be equally effective as what you are eliminating is the efects of that frequency irrespective of whether it comes from a sub of a speaker. Subs have been badly maligned basically by folks who did not know what they were doing with it and hence with too much gain and very often too high crossovers.. heaar a good setup and and this can change ! |
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raj
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#22 erstellt: 23. Jan 2006, 08:14 | |||
Hi Arj You mentioned about speaker level connections on the sub as an essential feature. Could you please explain a bit more as to why only line level will not suffice. Many subwoofers such as Sonodyne, Lithos, Mirage etc. have only line level. Regards Raj |
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nindo
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#23 erstellt: 23. Jan 2006, 10:02 | |||
hey guys... sorry to sneak into this thread with my query...but the topic name suggested me to do so...well, i have a kenwood powered sub-woofer 100w rms which i had been using with my midi-hifi system till date...now i have connected it to my yammy rxv457..its was workin fine...but lately it has been givin out a hum whenever it is connected...the loudness of the hum increases as i push the level on the sub (obviously)...i m not using a proper subwoofer cable, but a normal (read cheap..!!) rca plugged wire...when i put it on it works fine for sometime (may be 10 mins), then the hum starts... need to know why this mite b happenin...is it a faulty wire or some part in the sub is gettin heated up...??? pls put some light... thanx / nindo |
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Arj
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#24 erstellt: 23. Jan 2006, 12:46 | |||
ones meant for music usually have a speaker level in as well. Idea behind this is to take the same signal as the speakers are so that any phase/tonal changes in the amp is retained in the sub. the sub amp is usually very neutral. this is usually done by a parallel connection along with the speaker cables at the am end and since the subwsoofer load is un the range of 10K+ this causes hardly any load on the amp. line level in is usually used for the LFE in an HT. but then there are those who have managed to get a lusic setup with that as well..
Usual suspects are -RFI in the sub cable.. smallest of signals getting amplified in the subs amp - Some sort of agrpund loop..improper earthing -Gain in the sub is way too high ? |
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nindo
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#25 erstellt: 23. Jan 2006, 13:27 | |||
hey arj... thanx for the reply dude...but unfortunately being a mech eng. i dunno shit abt electrical stuff ...can u pls explian whats "rfi"..i get whats "improper earthing" i ll get it checked...what does "high gain in the sub mean"...???..may b one of these is the culprit...it ll help if u xplain a bit... hope i aint soundin dumb... thanx / nindo |
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