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vpriyan
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#1 erstellt: 15. Dez 2006, 05:16
Hi since I am expecting some funds..Iam raising my budget to around 1.5l from 1l...but the sad thing is have to wait till Jan 3rd week.

I think this would be a nice combo

Arcam Solo
ProAC Studio 110
ProAC speaker cables

Please share your opinions on this combo
abhi.pani
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#2 erstellt: 15. Dez 2006, 06:21
Good combo...but do look at Dynaudio Audience-52Se as well..I read soemwhere that the Solo does a very good job with Dynaudio speakers.

Whats the price of Solo in India ?
Jeeves
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#3 erstellt: 15. Dez 2006, 06:25
You cant go wrong. I am a great fan of Proac for their warm sound, quality of materials used and the amount and quality of bass they are able to get out of their speakers especially the stand mounts. Do get a very sturdy pair of stands though. I would suggest go for cheaper cables but better stands.
Though I havent heard the Solo, Arcam products are superb and I dont think you willhave any issues.
deaf
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#4 erstellt: 15. Dez 2006, 07:41
Dear Vpriyan,
I would first like to know what kind of music you like to
listen to and secondly the size of your room.Only then I would be able to give my honest thoughts.
Deaf.
bhagwan69
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#5 erstellt: 15. Dez 2006, 08:00

vpriyan schrieb:
Hi since I am expecting some funds..Iam raising my budget to around 1.5l from 1l...but the sad thing is have to wait till Jan 3rd week.



May I ask what all do you want to buy in Rs. 1.5/- ?

Speakers only ?

Or

Speakers + Electronics ?

Thanks,
vpriyan
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#6 erstellt: 15. Dez 2006, 09:26
I listen mostly to Jazz and Classical...and my room size is 14X10 ft. I have to include electronics as well as speakers in the budget..
Amp_Nut
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#7 erstellt: 15. Dez 2006, 09:30
Maybe you could consider the Active Tannoys that Bhagwan has for sale.

If you are in Mumbai, I am sure he will give you an audition... maybe at your place...
Arj
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#8 erstellt: 15. Dez 2006, 10:18
hi vpriyan,

if it is possible do a comparison between the Audio analogue enigma, linn classik (old but still good), and the arcam. they are all 1 box solutions.

i have a hunch (just a hunch) that the enigma might sound just a bit better with proac due to its tube pre stage.

for speaker, my experiences are the same as Jeeves. i feel the SC1 or the Tablette 8 (different pricepoints and different sound but cannot say 1 is better than the other) standmounts with a really heavy solid stand are pretty good.

the sudio series in the end is a compromise option offerred by proac for those who feel floorstanders have better bass. in the end in this case it is not better bass but more bass.


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square_wave
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#9 erstellt: 15. Dez 2006, 10:25
I would suggest an alternative to the cd/amp combo.
The Dussun v6i
http://www.dussun.com/english/v6.html
There are guys on audio asylum who have replaced some expensive separates / Jeff Rowland integrateds with this amp. Around $1200.
Add a good source for around 30k
Plus a proac or any other good speaker of your choice which you can fit into the budget.
vpriyan
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#10 erstellt: 15. Dez 2006, 10:28
Even I would like to listen to Audio Analogue Enigma but I guess it is not available in India..

Can anyone please tell me where I can get Audio Analogue Enigma??
Arj
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#11 erstellt: 15. Dez 2006, 10:39

square_wave schrieb:
I would suggest an alternative to the cd/amp combo.
The Dussun v6i
http://www.dussun.com/english/v6.html
There are guys on audio asylum who have replaced some expensive separates / Jeff Rowland integrateds with this amp. Around $1200.


is it not an Int Amp ?

Jeff rowlands is not exactly price equivalent to sound quality !

Dussun is the new name for Korsun which was the OEM for REd ROse electronics ( by mark levinsen).

Its initial designs were, I believe ,"inspired" by levinsen.. it has good products none the less

just found this
http://www.china-highend-hifi.com/prod01123221.htm


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Shahrukh
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#12 erstellt: 15. Dez 2006, 11:45

vpriyan schrieb:
Even I would like to listen to Audio Analogue Enigma but I guess it is not available in India..

Can anyone please tell me where I can get Audio Analogue Enigma??


The AA Enigma is available here. Nova Audio has it I think!
vpriyan
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#13 erstellt: 15. Dez 2006, 11:47
I asked Nova Audio but they said they don't have Enigma but all the other series
vpriyan
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#14 erstellt: 28. Dez 2006, 04:27
Can anyone please tell me some opinions on the following setup for room size 14X9 ft.

Marantz CD5001 CD Player
Marantz PM7001 Amplifier
Monitor Audio RS6 Speaker
QED Silver Anniversary Bi-Wire cables
QED Qunnex 2 Interconnect

The total cost is coming around 1.1 Lac and I would like to know whether this is a good setup. I have to decide soon as I already took so much time to decide.
abhi.pani
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#15 erstellt: 28. Dez 2006, 05:04
Did you hear them ?
Did you like them ?
If yes, then there isnt much to think.
If No, then, try Rotel RA-05 instead of Marantz PM-7001.
Rest of the chain looks good.
IMO Marantz is a very basic amp...not an all-rounder by any stretch...lack dynamics...This particular Rotel does most things much better than Marantz.


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vpriyan
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#16 erstellt: 28. Dez 2006, 05:08
I have heard but not more than 10 min so couldn't decide.

But doesn't Marantz had smooth sound than Rotel?

Another big question is regarding RS6. Does this suit for my room size 14X9 ft?
abhi.pani
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#17 erstellt: 28. Dez 2006, 05:57

But doesn't Marantz had smooth sound than Rotel?


Probably yes, Rotel RA-05 is much more detailed, dynamic and a much better all rounder to suit most genres of music.
Smooth is the only thing that Marantz does well, but I suppose there are many more things to consider. Marantz 7001 has little control over the bass, I found it to be loose and flabby. The attack is hardly there. I mean such compromises are ok at the most entry level but not when you are spending 1.1 lakhs..
Anyway, we cant decide much until you go ahead and listen to Rotel RA-05 in particular.
abhi.pani
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#18 erstellt: 28. Dez 2006, 06:09
And yes, for your room size RS6 could be a tad big. But then there are advantages and disadvantages of a larger speaker in a smaller room. On one hand you can benefit by setting up a nearfield listening position. That way you avoid the reflections from the wall and the sound is more direct from the speaker, so you get cleaner sound. Being a floorstander also means bigger sound. On the other hand a bigger speaker will more often than not never dissappear as easily as a bookshelf speaker. The soundstage and imaging will more often than not be better in a good bookshelf speaker (in smaller rooms) than a large floorstander. So there you have to decide what to compromise. Do you want good soundstage and imaging or a big bold sound. If you want to achive both then hire Deaf...
vpriyan
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#19 erstellt: 28. Dez 2006, 06:22
Abhi.Pani, Thanks for your suggestion.

Regarding my preference I need more detail as I listen mostly to Jazz and Classical.

Considering your suggestion I am thinking whether to go for this one or Manek's system (NAD with Cadence Arita)which I feel better suited for Jazz and Classical and total cost of the system is the same 1.1 Lac including stands.

Can go along with Prithvi's recomendation (Linn Classik with Proac studio 110) but the total budget is coming around 1.6 Lac which is very high for me.
abhi.pani
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#20 erstellt: 28. Dez 2006, 07:06
Hmmm..Manek's system is definitely a nice one but I guess he uses a good tube-preamp and uses his NAD only as a power amp. Thats something that you shouldnt overlook. NAD320bee on its own sounds very dry....so you need to watch out, if you NAD320BEE suits your taste. Ultimately you have to listen before you buy.
vpriyan
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#21 erstellt: 28. Dez 2006, 07:24
I thought he is using only c320bee for aritas..

then should look elsewhere..

Is there any value amp in 30-40k range??
abhi.pani
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#22 erstellt: 28. Dez 2006, 07:54
Rotel RA-05 is the one that I know of.
Check if entry level Roksan is available for that money.
purnendu
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#23 erstellt: 28. Dez 2006, 10:50
Hi,
Just for info, I am running my Proac's with the older Lyrita Integrated (20 watts). Had a week long audition with the Audio analogue Cento (which has a tube input stage) and it was really quite impressive as far as the bass performance is concerned and the grip on the speaker. However the violins had more bite or sounded less glassy on the valve amp, infact they sounded more like violins and less electronic. So I returned it, and kept the valve amp. It was a hard choice because I have to chose between different plus and minus points. I have also listened to the lyrita valve monoblocks briefly and they add power that you need. The Audio analogue would not dissapoint you but if you go for the proac's give valves a listen.
Purnendu
ani
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#24 erstellt: 28. Dez 2006, 10:55
Stretch it a bit more you can look at Primaluna Prologue1 an EL34 based 35w/ch tube intergrated which is around Rs 65k. It plays well with Monitor Audio speakers, I am using one with GR20 and Silver S2 (bookshelf) the GR20 and tube amp synergy is well worth the money. The combo is great for bringing out the best from each and every disk be it CD or LP. You can call it a tastefully coloured system that lets you know what is on the source, which most of the products of this price category fails to do.

Wishing you best of luck is finding a good system

Anil
Manek
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#25 erstellt: 28. Dez 2006, 12:17
vpriyan,

I have lived with the combo of aritas and 320bee for over 3 years and its definately nice for the price.

I primarity listen to classical and jazz and it worked for me. I just made that pre-power jumper from a good interconnect cable. I then added a tube pre which made it better..then some NOS toobs made it even better...

Manek.
vpriyan
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#26 erstellt: 28. Dez 2006, 13:10
Manek but how about the sound quality without Valves, i.e c320bee directly connected to Aritas?
Manek
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#27 erstellt: 28. Dez 2006, 14:01
As I said...i lived with it(320bee+aritas) for over 3 years without much of an upgraditis syndrome...so it was pretty good for the money I spent on it. The tubes came only 10 months ago.

Manek.
abhi.pani
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#28 erstellt: 28. Dez 2006, 15:07
Vpriyan,
You could also look at Viren's Valve monoblocks....
abhi.pani
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#29 erstellt: 29. Dez 2006, 05:18
Hi Vpriyan,
Just remembered, you could also look at the Sonodyne Pre-Power combo. I have heard them recently and found it to be really nice for the price. The pre-power pair sells for 27k. Very clean and balanced sound, well built. They are far better than their previous integrated amps.
abhi.pani
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#30 erstellt: 29. Dez 2006, 05:20
You could have a look at the Sonodyne Pre power here:
http://www.sonodyne.com/SPA203R.htm
http://www.sonodyne.com/SPA202.htm
vpriyan
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#31 erstellt: 29. Dez 2006, 05:30
Thankyou Abhi.Pani

so how about Sonodyne sonus 2605 with this pre-power and Marantz cd5001 cd player...will that be good?

If thats good then I guess I can finish whole setup within 75k including cables.
Amp_Nut
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#32 erstellt: 29. Dez 2006, 06:39
WOW !

VERY Nice looking Pre !

Did U say Rs 27K for the Pre + Power Combo ??

Must listen to them at the Atria Mall soon. My daughter wants to go there for her Rebock shoes !
Maybe tomorrow ...

Subjective comments for any of the Forum members for this combo ?
abhi.pani
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#33 erstellt: 29. Dez 2006, 06:53

Did U say Rs 27K for the Pre + Power Combo ??


Yes Amp_nut its 27k for the combo. Nice sound for the price...also you get the flexibility of upgrading individual components (pre or power) whenever you find something better.


so how about Sonodyne sonus 2605 with this pre-power and Marantz cd5001 cd player...will that be good?


Vpriyan,
Sonus is a good entry level speaker so you shouldnt compare them to the likes of RS6 or the Aritas. You can go over and listen to them at a Sonodyne listening room. Take your own music to judge them well. But I wouldnt suggest you to go down all the way to entry level speakers from where you started, RS6 which are somewhere in the mid level speakers range. Stick to a good speaker and you could upgrade your amp as and when you want to. That way you are sure that your speakers are always ready to deliver whatever your amp has to offer.
Krish
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#34 erstellt: 29. Dez 2006, 06:56

Amp_Nut schrieb:
WOW !

VERY Nice looking Pre !

Did U say Rs 27K for the Pre + Power Combo ??

Must listen to them at the Atria Mall soon. My daughter wants to go there for her Rebock shoes !
Maybe tomorrow ...

Subjective comments for any of the Forum members for this combo ?


I've heard them and they didn't do much for me.

If one wanted to be really charitable One would blame the glass enclosed demo room...

But that is not POV that i subscribe to
Behram
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#35 erstellt: 29. Dez 2006, 13:31


You could have a look at the Sonodyne Pre power here:
http://www.sonodyne.com/SPA203R.htm
http://www.sonodyne.com/SPA202.htm


Just checked the specs of the Sonodyne Power Amplifier.

Slew Rate mentioned as 40V/microsec, indeed very low for a product of this class. Seems like a printing mistake.
purnendu
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#36 erstellt: 29. Dez 2006, 16:05
Hi,
Has any one heard the Lyrita monoblocks in comparison with the Prima Luna P1. They are about the same price
Purnendu
Kamal
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#37 erstellt: 29. Dez 2006, 18:52
I've heard Virens' Valve Integrated & his vavle pre=valve monoblocks a number of times with a good variety of music-very nice indeed!( Detailed review posted in the thread -Lyritas budget HiFi) Great VFM and you always have his after sales service support available, even after many moons have passed.
Methinks they would make a deadly combo with the Aritas( but do listen to his Harmony's also- Stevie should be getting them mid Jan.
Kamal


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Neutral
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#38 erstellt: 30. Dez 2006, 14:09

Behram schrieb:
Just checked the specs of the Sonodyne Power Amplifier.

Slew Rate mentioned as 40V/microsec, indeed very low for a product of this class. Seems like a printing mistake.


Behram,
In my experience, entry-level power amps don't have slew rates much above this (mine's 60). But, I guess that this would only affect dynamic passages in classical music (hardly any dynamic range in pop or rock).
Neutral
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#39 erstellt: 30. Dez 2006, 14:14

vpriyan schrieb:
Thankyou Abhi.Pani

so how about Sonodyne sonus 2605 with this pre-power and Marantz cd5001 cd player...will that be good?

If thats good then I guess I can finish whole setup within 75k including cables.

Vishakapriyan,
2605 is a fun speaker - great for pop and very affordable. I was very tempted by it. But, then it might not be really high-end for jazz or classical, and u may get 'upgraditis' later.
If I were choosing a speaker in your price range, I would have gone for Maggie MG-12. You will hear the smallest nuances of vocal jazz.
abhi.pani
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#40 erstellt: 31. Dez 2006, 08:07

If I were choosing a speaker in your price range, I would have gone for Maggie MG-12. You will hear the smallest nuances of vocal jazz.


I suppose his room is too small for accomodating Maggies...
Kamal
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#41 erstellt: 31. Dez 2006, 17:28
Yup, Maggies being bipolar, nedd to be placed well away from the side& back wall to hear them properly.
Wont work for him.
juggy_25
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#42 erstellt: 02. Jan 2007, 01:37
How about the Sonodyne Avant speakers? Is it better than the Sonus? (ofcourse its more on the expensive side. but sound quality wise....)
vpriyan
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#43 erstellt: 02. Jan 2007, 05:28
I got a dealer for Soundsmiths here in Chennai. He deals with Cambridge Audio, Dali, Dynaudio and other Soundsmith products..

Now I think I have some more choices and I think Cambridge Audio 640A,640C with Dynaudio Audience 42 will be a good match.

Abhi.Pani what's your opinion on this?
abhi.pani
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#44 erstellt: 02. Jan 2007, 05:40
Hi Vpriyan,
I havent heard the Audience 42 with Cambridge products.
Personally I dont like the Cambridge products a lot because of its cold sound. Secondly Dynaudio speakers require high current amps, I doubt if the 640A is high current..
One more thing, Audience52 is a huge improvement over the 42, while the difference in cost is just around 10k. I would suggest, if you are looking at Dynaudio (which IMO are excellent speakers) then look at 52 onwards.

In any case if you like Cambridge (after a good session of auditioning) then you can stick to them.
deaf
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#45 erstellt: 04. Jan 2007, 09:36
I would suggest you wait and watch the Bangalore show before you make any serious leap.
Deaf.
vpriyan
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#46 erstellt: 04. Jan 2007, 09:40
What is it all about and when it is going to be conducted?
bhagwan69
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#47 erstellt: 04. Jan 2007, 11:25

Kamal schrieb:
Yup, Maggies being bipolar, need to be placed well away from the side & back wall to hear them properly.
Wont work for him.


Only back wall.
Side walls do not affect Maggies. At least that is the impression I was under, I may be wrong.

If you have 2 feet from rear wall, you should be well covered.
vpriyan
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#48 erstellt: 04. Jan 2007, 13:39
Finally I have shortlisted two combinations

NAD(C320BEE+C521BEE),Cadence Arita with Siltech Cables
Marantz (CD5001+PM7001),Monitor Audio RS6 with QED Cables

As Abhi.Pani's suggestion (to replace ROTEL with Marantz amp)Since there is no ROTEL dealer over here I couldn't judge the performance in comparison with Marantz

Even I haven't heard the NAD/Cadence combination but the review, advices makes me shortlist this combination without having audition.

Actually I have an idea to purchase next week.

If you have any other recomendations please suggest me.

Room Size (14ftX9ft), Music Genre: Jazz,Classical
Shahrukh
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#49 erstellt: 04. Jan 2007, 15:09

vpriyan schrieb:
...I haven't heard the NAD/Cadence combination but the review, advices makes me shortlist this combination without having audition.

Actually I have an idea to purchase next week.


Please please please don't be in a hurry to make your purchase. Please first listen to the equipment, salivate over it and then buy.
Reviews are based on the POV of someone else's ear.
What sounds excellent to one person might sound horrid to another. I know it's a cliche but pleez don't buy on the basis of reviews!
Kamal
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#50 erstellt: 04. Jan 2007, 19:01
Quite right,don't be in a haste-till now you have been gathering recommendations-now ,take your fav CD's & go listen!
The final choice should be made by YOUR ears & no one else's!
Kamal
Kamal
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#51 erstellt: 04. Jan 2007, 19:07
Acc to Bhagwan

Only back wall.
Side walls do not affect Maggies. At least that is the impression I was under, I may be wrong.

If you have 2 feet from rear wall, you should be well covered.


I read a pretty detailed review of the Maggies.
The final reccomendation of the reviewer was to keep them well away from the back & side walls for the best effect-a snap of the placement was included.
A friend of mine keeps them 3' from the back wall & 2.5' away from the side wall!
Kamal


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