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Manek
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#51 erstellt: 11. Okt 2008, 04:42
Arj

What are you waiting for. Get it for him. Ha ha......
Now that's is a smart kid. He knows good sound when he hears it !
Arj....something needs to be done on a wider scale to keep this music alive and kicking and hence keep the audiophile community kicking......
Any ideas ?


Suhaas, same goes for prima luna and cayin.....
Now has anyone opened these similar equipment and verified ? It just may be the same thing ! Or near abouts.
Suhaas, there was someone who wanted to sell a unico sometime back.....whay about that ? Or an audio analogue hybrid ?

Manek
Arj
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#52 erstellt: 11. Okt 2008, 05:53

Manek schrieb:


Arj....something needs to be done on a wider scale to keep this music alive and kicking and hence keep the audiophile community kicking......
Any ideas ?


SO True..very often it is not the kind of Music which i really feel bad about but as you said the compressed,low quality and "enhanced" noise filled recordings ..and most people will never realise what they are missing.

I guess musical tastes have always evolved... the audiophiles of the yester-yester years only liked pure western classical at a time when even Stravinsky was deemed "non musical" then it was Jazz which was the new kid on the block and then rock..now we take all of that as part of audiophile choices. so the kind of music might just change from generation to generation BUT the quality is what bothers and fills one with dread the most of all

I guess it is a fact for most of us that traditional (physical) music distribution like cds/dvds are on their way out..so the future does seem to be more on the internet based delivery formats and digital storage SO i hope online stores like Linn, HD tracks etc which sell lossless music digitally are recognized for their quality over the Itunes et all which at 128kbps are not able to provide the same musical content and experience.


I often wonder what it will be like 10 years from now ..will I be stuck with equipment which no one even believes in those times ? there seem to be direct wireless panel speakers which can be disguised as paintings/hangings which might just be the most popular Hifi

thats why I like Bhagwan69s philosophy of buying all the music he can...very soon they just might not be available in that format

maybe keeping this "magic" stored with us is the simplest thing which we can do and some folks, if they will do a comparison might just notice how nice the music really can be ?

tube magic itself has been an eye opener for me these days....never thought ill get into that but a lot of discussions with folks especially siva has really made me a convert to it !
sivat
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#53 erstellt: 11. Okt 2008, 06:06
On one side i interact with Audiophile community and the other side i also interact with music-lovers (My reference for music lover are those soaked in Hindustani or Carnatic). The "intersection" of these two communities - is a very very less in terms of "%".

In my opinion there is no dearth of music-lovers. But somehow this community refuse to invest in music system, but they organize thier own concerts (some-times even @ thier own homes inviting folks from thier own music community). They do not really need a music system...in true sense, nor do they appreciate the need for one !!

On the other side - most audiophiles i see are those who look at "music through system", rather than "system through music". I guess..in some sense.. i also belong to the audiophile community, but i'm trying to learn Music with a open mind (which is quite difficult, as technology takes precedence almost always).

The way i look at it..."music lovers" and "audiophiles" are (almost) mutually exclusive group. There are lots of music-lovers, but very little audiophiles. .. you know...it does make sense in a way

Music will definely be alive... But the credit is not gonna go to Audiophiles.

Go ahead jump on me


[Beitrag von sivat am 11. Okt 2008, 06:07 bearbeitet]
Arj
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#54 erstellt: 11. Okt 2008, 06:20
Siva,
very well said

IN fact my wife belongs to the "music lover" category..cannot understand my obsession with equipment etc and blames it on my being a male and having a techie background ,she can enjoy music out of an ipod shuffle or even TV speakers as she gets to the soul of it pretty quick while my left brain is still wondering on the transparency and intrument separation.

Although these days she also can appreciate the difference between good and a bad recording.

But the point is in the end we are "losing" some part of music even if the soul may remain intact to some people..that is a point of concern

but to be honest i do think of those days around 7-8 years back when a copied tape and a sony all in one system was enough to send me to musical rapture...now it takes a lot more


[Beitrag von Arj am 11. Okt 2008, 06:21 bearbeitet]
Manek
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#55 erstellt: 11. Okt 2008, 11:00
Arj, siva

I do differ a bit here...to get to heart and soul of the music you have to experience it in its full glory and that can be done by listening to it live and acoustic. The next best way is to try and get to that at home with a good system.

I have this discussion with my wife sometimes, she is musicaly trained and has performed, and for the life of me I don't know why she does not give a hoot about listening to music well reproduced especially the music she is not familiar with. I am so sure they are not getting down to the soul of music when they listen to it on a tv or any such low fidelity medium. I think its just a superficial appreciation of the melody. Or maybe that's what they really care about at the moment.

My mom was this way too, would ask me to pop in a certain cd/tape/lp in the living room and listen to it in the bedroom with a newspaper or readers digest, but nowadays she wants to sit in the hot seat, smack in the center....and appreciate the stereo experience with dad and I rather than just the song and she thinks of buying amps and speakers when she see's and hears good stuff ! From that phenomenon I know for a fact that people are missing a lot when they don't hear music well reproduced. Its just the matter of education. I remember a lady with her 4 year old son coming to the cadence demo room at an av show in mumbai many yrs ago and hearing the avita's and the va1. She made the choice there and then she wanted the stuff ! She didn't care about the technology, she just wanted to hear good music
reproduced well in her home, ....what do you say to that ? I am sure there are many women who may want to buy and listen but maybe something is stopping them for coming forth.....maybe we guys are more selfish... We splurge on our hobbies and passions more than our wives ? Are they feeling guilty of making that expenditure ? I don't know.

Manek
Arj
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#56 erstellt: 11. Okt 2008, 15:10

Manek schrieb:
Arj, siva

I do differ a bit here...to get to heart and soul of the music you have to experience it in its full glory and that can be done by listening to it live and acoustic. The next best way is to try and get to that at home with a good system.




Manek there is no dispute on that at least where I am coming from..it is just that there are very few of those people for whom music is everything who are audiophiles as well...would have been nice if both had a much larger common "intersection" as Siva put it..

Must commend your parents on their view on music and it reproduction...there are very few of such people in the earlier generation to us !
Manek
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#57 erstellt: 11. Okt 2008, 16:38
Arj

Its actually the opposite. I know of so many people of the generation before us who love music and love to hear it reproduced well in their homes.....its their children and grandchildren who don't give a damn about good sound and the good music of yester years! All they want is a headache from the dirt that's dished out nowadays and they get a pretty good one too with their fancy mp3 systems.

Manek
sivat
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#58 erstellt: 12. Okt 2008, 03:33
We are still talking the same
particleman
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#59 erstellt: 12. Okt 2008, 12:39
I greatly enjoyed reading these stories of childhood memories. Very interesting and I look forward to hearing more. I am also happy to know there are so many fellow Xavierites here
G_S_Madhav
Stammgast
#60 erstellt: 13. Okt 2008, 08:56

particleman schrieb:
I greatly enjoyed reading these stories of childhood memories. Very interesting and I look forward to hearing more.


Here what some audiophile friends had contributed......


".......As a kid, I remember listening to my dad playing 1950's jazz recordings through a Heath kit tube amp and some speakers that he built the cabinets to, and thinking how it sounded like there were musicians in our living room. As a matter of fact, many a night when I was in bed, I would hear these sounds coming from downstairs in our living room and wondering when the musicians came over, and how come they only were there after I went to bed. My dad is gone now, but every time I hear certain recordings, I think of him, smile, and thank him. I hope that one day my own two great kids will have fond memories such as those. Happy Father's Day everyone!.........."


More...

"........I remember the early years when my father used to play music on his Grundig Radiogram. The equipment fascinated me. Looking at the black shiny disks spinning fast and with a needle on top of it producing all the sounds always intrigued me. I had no idea why the system sounded so good; today when I look back I can understand why! It was a one-piece system; everything was almost perfectly matched and had the tubes! I had no way of comparing the equipment, but whatever was being reproduced had sounded very good.

In 1968 when I was 10 years old he bought a very nice little record player, Philips it was, with a diamond stylus and two speakers which would fold and become the top cover when not in use. For first few years he bought all the records for me and whenever there was an occasion he would give me an LP as a present. He got posted abroad and used to send LP's every month in the parcel. Whatever appreciation I have today of music is only because of him.

He passed away on August 30, 1999, 13 days short of his 65th birthday. I miss him greatly and so does my 14 year old son, who seem to have lost his best friend.

Love you Papa! ........"



Some more..

".......My dad bought me stereo at an auction when I was eight. It had a radio and a turntable integrated in a free standing complete unit. I used to listen to my parents' old records on this system. They didn't have too much I was interested in but i sure did enjoy the Elvis records. I guess this was my first system.
Sadly he died young (48) when I was eighteen. I am grateful for everything he did for me and the values and lessons I learned from him as I grew up. I lost a father and a friend. To those of you who still have you father, hoist a glass to dear old dad on Sunday. I'll be thinking about mine.........."


One more ....

"...... Well, my Dad unwittingly pushed me into enjoying hi-fi by trying to keep me from listening to FM rock-n-roll radio when I was a kid. He'd come into my bedroom while I was listening to Led Zeppelin, or the like (at really low volumes so not to get caught) and make me turn the radio to some softer music or talk radio. I'd sneak down to our living room in the early morning to put on my parent's Ray Charles "Do The Twist" LP (which they NEVER played...I don't even know who's it was). I'd listen to that Ray Charles album at volumes so low I'd have to put my ear to the speaker to hear anything. As time went on, I got bolder and bolder. My parents didn't mind me listening to the Partridge Family Album, so I commandeered the RCA portable record player to my bedroom, and soon bought ELP's "Welcome Back My Friends..." LP. Well, the horse was out of the barn. I eventually went on to learn to play the drums. My Dad generously bought me my Ludwigs, and endured about four years of rock band practice in our attic during the evenings. Now that's love coming from a guy who didn't want me listening to FM rock radio in the early days.

This year, I sent him a letter instead of the usual corny Father's Day card, and I finally told him things in the letter I'd wanted to say for years. This thread, though, reminded me of the musical part of our relationship...perhaps the most important part of my life growing up, and I'd completely forgotten to mention it in the letter. Now, I'll have something to talk to him about the next time we're together. Thanks guys!......."



and this last one..


".....My story has a reverse twist about my Dad and music. I bought a HiFi Stereo in separate wood cabinets from a Furniture Store, after many, many lay-away payments, in the mid 50's (only place that sold them in those days). The only "Stereo HiFi" LP's available in those days were the heavy carbon Columbia House LP's, mostly of Big Band sounds, Nat King Cole and Sinatra, etc.

Once setup and playing, over and over, the only Stereo HiFi platter that I had...and enthralled with the soundstage this primitive Stereo system produced, in walked my Dad. He sat down and listened to the whole LP. My Dad was a tough man and old school for sure, but this day, he praised me for such good music with such separation. Always one who seeked my Dad's approval, this praise was a tremendous boost. He bought other Stereo LP's for me and even asked me to audition my system to family and friends when they visited...he beamed when their mouths dropped open at the soundstage. I beamed when his chest swelled from showing off his son's music system.

I was hooked by Audio from that pleasant experience with my Dad. He is gone now, but I still vividly remember his interest and praise for something so simple as sharing music together. I love and miss him and just maybe with all of the Audio gear I've owned over the years, I'm still trying to send him the best music he ever heard......."



Keep'm coming....


[Beitrag von G_S_Madhav am 13. Okt 2008, 08:58 bearbeitet]
Manek
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#61 erstellt: 13. Okt 2008, 10:23
Tks suhaas,

Lovely.

Fathers are special aren't they ?

Manek
Manek
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#62 erstellt: 13. Okt 2008, 11:52
Suhaas

Just read abhi wants to sell his power amp.

It may not be a bad idea to check out siva's amp, see if it runs well with a passive unit, maybe siva could build one for you internally too.

Manek
bombaywalla
Stammgast
#63 erstellt: 13. Okt 2008, 12:55

G_S_Madhav schrieb:

particleman schrieb:
I greatly enjoyed reading these stories of childhood memories. Very interesting and I look forward to hearing more.


Here what some audiophile friends had contributed......


".......As a kid, I remember listening to my dad playing 1950's jazz recordings through a Heath kit tube amp and some speakers that he built the cabinets to, and thinking how it sounded like there were musicians in our living room. As a matter of fact, many a night when I was in bed, I would hear these sounds coming from downstairs in our living room and wondering when the musicians came over, and how come they only were there after I went to bed. My dad is gone now, but every time I hear certain recordings, I think of him, smile, and thank him. I hope that one day my own two great kids will have fond memories such as those. Happy Father's Day everyone!.........."


More...

"........I remember the early years when my father used to play music on his Grundig Radiogram. The equipment fascinated me. Looking at the black shiny disks spinning fast and with a needle on top of it producing all the sounds always intrigued me. I had no idea why the system sounded so good; today when I look back I can understand why! It was a one-piece system; everything was almost perfectly matched and had the tubes! I had no way of comparing the equipment, but whatever was being reproduced had sounded very good.

In 1968 when I was 10 years old he bought a very nice little record player, Philips it was, with a diamond stylus and two speakers which would fold and become the top cover when not in use. For first few years he bought all the records for me and whenever there was an occasion he would give me an LP as a present. He got posted abroad and used to send LP's every month in the parcel. Whatever appreciation I have today of music is only because of him.

He passed away on August 30, 1999, 13 days short of his 65th birthday. I miss him greatly and so does my 14 year old son, who seem to have lost his best friend.

Love you Papa! ........"



Some more..

".......My dad bought me stereo at an auction when I was eight. It had a radio and a turntable integrated in a free standing complete unit. I used to listen to my parents' old records on this system. They didn't have too much I was interested in but i sure did enjoy the Elvis records. I guess this was my first system.
Sadly he died young (48) when I was eighteen. I am grateful for everything he did for me and the values and lessons I learned from him as I grew up. I lost a father and a friend. To those of you who still have you father, hoist a glass to dear old dad on Sunday. I'll be thinking about mine.........."


One more ....

"...... Well, my Dad unwittingly pushed me into enjoying hi-fi by trying to keep me from listening to FM rock-n-roll radio when I was a kid. He'd come into my bedroom while I was listening to Led Zeppelin, or the like (at really low volumes so not to get caught) and make me turn the radio to some softer music or talk radio. I'd sneak down to our living room in the early morning to put on my parent's Ray Charles "Do The Twist" LP (which they NEVER played...I don't even know who's it was). I'd listen to that Ray Charles album at volumes so low I'd have to put my ear to the speaker to hear anything. As time went on, I got bolder and bolder. My parents didn't mind me listening to the Partridge Family Album, so I commandeered the RCA portable record player to my bedroom, and soon bought ELP's "Welcome Back My Friends..." LP. Well, the horse was out of the barn. I eventually went on to learn to play the drums. My Dad generously bought me my Ludwigs, and endured about four years of rock band practice in our attic during the evenings. Now that's love coming from a guy who didn't want me listening to FM rock radio in the early days.

This year, I sent him a letter instead of the usual corny Father's Day card, and I finally told him things in the letter I'd wanted to say for years. This thread, though, reminded me of the musical part of our relationship...perhaps the most important part of my life growing up, and I'd completely forgotten to mention it in the letter. Now, I'll have something to talk to him about the next time we're together. Thanks guys!......."



and this last one..


".....My story has a reverse twist about my Dad and music. I bought a HiFi Stereo in separate wood cabinets from a Furniture Store, after many, many lay-away payments, in the mid 50's (only place that sold them in those days). The only "Stereo HiFi" LP's available in those days were the heavy carbon Columbia House LP's, mostly of Big Band sounds, Nat King Cole and Sinatra, etc.

Once setup and playing, over and over, the only Stereo HiFi platter that I had...and enthralled with the soundstage this primitive Stereo system produced, in walked my Dad. He sat down and listened to the whole LP. My Dad was a tough man and old school for sure, but this day, he praised me for such good music with such separation. Always one who seeked my Dad's approval, this praise was a tremendous boost. He bought other Stereo LP's for me and even asked me to audition my system to family and friends when they visited...he beamed when their mouths dropped open at the soundstage. I beamed when his chest swelled from showing off his son's music system.

I was hooked by Audio from that pleasant experience with my Dad. He is gone now, but I still vividly remember his interest and praise for something so simple as sharing music together. I love and miss him and just maybe with all of the Audio gear I've owned over the years, I'm still trying to send him the best music he ever heard......."



Keep'm coming....



all these stories are really very nice!!
thanx for sharing
particleman
Stammgast
#64 erstellt: 13. Okt 2008, 16:20

G_S_Madhav schrieb:
Here what some audiophile friends had contributed......


That was wonderful, Suhas. Many thanks for posting it.
Manek
Inventar
#65 erstellt: 13. Okt 2008, 17:21
Suhaas

Its times like this I strongly feel quad should make one integrated amp. I love their 909 and 99 power amps. I feel they are real value for money.

They probably would be able to make a cracker of an integrated which is not too expensive.

Alas. They don't

Manek
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