speakers for NAD C521BEE/C320BEE

nad 320bee comes with single set of spkr terminals...the 352 and 372 comes with two sets.

manek.

hey manek,
but can the 320bee be biwired?

Iam going to buy the NAD C320BEE amplifier next week.


one more thing,

I don't thin KEF Cresta 30 will behave as floorstander though it is a floorstander So will the speaker fits in my room? If i did so will i get the boomy bass?

biwiring with one set of speaker terminals ? no you cant.

I know some guys who have shoved two lengths of wires down one speaker terminal set on the amp side and they say that they have biwired their speakers. Dont really know what it all achieves besides badly bruised fingers.

Dont even try this.

Manek.

Hi Vishal,

Your choice of amp and cdp, at their price level, is pretty good, so you can go ahead with them.

Your room is somewhat small and whatever little experience I have picked up along the way prompts me to tell you to be careful while selecting your speakers. The small size of the room would result in just too many reflections, which, normally, a large-ish floor stander would tend to compound, as compared to a good stand mount.

Re the Cresta 30s, well, since you seem to have your heart set on them, in the event you find them too boomy in your room, you could tune them by the simple act of sticking a piece of low density foam into the port of each speaker. This will certainly help in reducing the boominess.

All the best!!!

Hi,

Manek schrieb:

biwiring with one set of speaker terminals ? no you cant. I know some guys who have shoved two lengths of wires down one speaker terminal set on the amp side and they say that they have biwired their speakers. Dont really know what it all achieves besides badly bruised fingers. Dont even try this. Manek.

Well I've done this, but in a different manner and I use plugs that QED sells along with QED bi-wiring cable. On the amp side, since my NAD304 has only one set of speaker terminals, I asked the QED dealer to use a crimping tool and crimp all of the wires into a single plug whereas at the loudspeaker end the wires have been left as is for use with the bi-wireable binding posts.

Regards,
- Nagaraj

But big-ears if the port is blocked then there will be lack of bass.

I auditioned quad 11L. This small wonder is simply amazing. with a 5" bass driver the low frequency is good. The detailing,sound staging,dynamics all are good.

But I have a query.

In the website, when i compared the quad 11L and 12L specification, i found that

11L has 5" bass driver and low end response is 45Hz
but
12L has 7" bass driver and low end response is still 45Hz.

why this is so?

By placing foam bungs in the port, you are not blocking it entirely, just tuning it to make it more appropriate to your room. In fact, Dynaudio even supplies these foam bungs along with their speakers, meant to be used if space restrictions necessitate the speaker being placed too close to the wall, resulting in bass heavy performance.

Re the Quad specs, well, I wouldn’t take any specs as the Holy Bible. Specs, normally, are marketing department tools. But, in this case, as part of the manufacturer’s design, both speakers could be tuned to 45 hz, irrespective of the fact that one has a 5 inch driver, and the other a 7 inch one. Without going into technical jargon, logic tells me that a 7 inch driver would move more air than a 5 inch one, hence all other things being equal, it would give richer bass than its smaller sibling. But, quality bass is dependent upon a whole lot of factors, and not just the lower frequency figures advertised in brochures / catalogues.

Hi All,

Sorry to join this discussion late.

Here's my two paise worth. I bought a NAD320BEE a couple of days ago to be followed by a C521BEE. My choice of speakers is as follows.

Lithos Noah 10------------14k or
Lithos Pro 10-------------30k

Lithos Studio------------14K or
Cadence Arita's----------39K

Cadence Anina's----------86K

That should take care of all tastes and budjets.

Don't bother with the PHOREN stuff. NOT VFM at Indian prices.

My apologies to all dealers. Like I said...my personal view!

Roshan.

I'll be honest....
The cadence anina's deserve a better amp and cdp! These elctrostats are quite delicious and need equally delicious partnering equipment. The Avita electrostatic speaker which replaces the anina is even better.

I wonder if you evaluated the the Cadence Diva.

The arita's will work extremely well with your amp as they do with mine. The diva's would work well too with 320bee.

the 320bee will drive the lithos very well.
Its now a question of budgets and musical tastes.

where can check out the cadence speakers?

Is there any dealer in bangalore?

Could you please tell me the website in which i can check out for these speakers?

since your choice of speakers are varying budget from 15k to 86k.you can as well as go for a better combo.or exchange your amp and go in for a better amp with better speakers...instead of spending 20k for amp and 80k for speakers..spend 30-40k for amp and 50k for speakers and 5-10k for cables,,,,yahooooooooooooo..lucky bugger :Dbest of both worlds...I personally feel components should complmemt each other.......I had a friend who used a local made CDP to a hi-end YAMAHA AVR.and Wharfedale speakers..thats murder

www.cadenceaudio.com

My budget is actually 75-80k max.(including cables and all other accessories)

so i decided nad cdp and amp as these are the value for money duos.

After auditioning, the speakers which i have shortlisted right now are

KEF Cresta 30
Quad 11L (have to check out quad 12L)

I have to audition acoustic energy evo 1.

Hi guys I feel pics in cadence website is not clear and of very low configuration........is it me or my comp ....or do you all feel it needs some upgrade

Hey Vishal,

www.cadence audio.com
www.lithosindia.com

for information.

Roshan.

sub boss...the cadence website needs an upgrade very badly

On the other hand I like the lithos web site, simple and neat.

Manek.

I really feel sad that these classy stuff are not being portrayed by the cadence people to outside world.....They deserve better.....much better.......I personally feel that it should be on par with Klipsch web site(I liked the klipsch layout)I hope cadence guys take notice of this and revamp the whole stuff


p.S : I quite hated the content about Indian talent in Lithos website..C'mon guys you can do away better with tech stuff.it almost looks like pleadin to me

I second BigEars. You are perfectly right in saying that listening is a very subjective matter. And also people who like a lot of bass end up in only showing off but miss the great detail when it comes to really good music. Rock numbers do sound great with more bass. But as you mature you start to like variety of genres from Jazz to indian classical. This has been my experience. I have a a very boomy bass in my Tata safari. I enjoyed it for an year but now i wait for the song to get over. It hurts my ears.
KEF Cresta 30 has a great detail in mids and high. For lows you have to get a PSW.

big-ears schrieb:

Since listening is such a subjective issue, it is very difficult to say one product is better than the other. It is therefore, always better for the individual to listen to all the options available in the market, and decide which sounds best to him. I listen mainly to vocals accompanied by soft music, and my ideal set-up is one which excels in imaging and detail.It should also give tight accurate bass, in keeping with that produced by the instruments used in the music of my choice, and not seem exaggerated. Now, if your priority is just thumping bass and never mind the detail, then your set-up would obviously be very different from mine. But, in a general sense, regardless of the amount of bass one craves for, I do not think one can really sacrifice detail in the long run. Too much of bass may be great to listen to for a few minutes, or for showing off to your friends, but over longer periods it will surely result in listening fatigue. You dont want a situation where you keep waiting for the music to end! Sound, reproduced by speakers, needs to travel some distance to sound natural to the ears. Normally, the larger the speaker, the more space you need around it to allow it to sound its best. Hence, in a small space, it is always better to go in for good quality bookshelves. Large floorstanders may look and sound impressive, but in a small space will only sound muddled. I havent heard the Cresta 30s, so I cannot comment on them. Maybe you could go back to the dealer and ask him to move the speakers closer to the wall to get a better idea of how they might sound in your room.

Hi Vishal, I only auditioned KEF Cresta and I am yet to buy them. i just luv em. It was connected to Denon amp. I am looking to connect them to Marantz SR4400 which i believe is great for movies and music. Please try this combination and let me know how you feel. I am yet to audition Wharfedales and then i am going to pick KEF unless Wharfs just impress me too much. Let me know your experience on Wharfs.

mr_vishal schrieb:

Wishyouwerehere, When I went to ProFx to reaudition the KEF cresta, they told that it is sold out.I think you purchased that speaker. Anyway could you please tell me how was your experience after buying the speaker. How about the Low Frequency Response. Could you please tell me which amp/receiver u have connected with. Yesterday I happened to audition Sonodyne Sonus 2605. I don't know why it sound very boomy and a little bit forward in the highs. I really didn't like it and the rep didn't have a good collection of cds. I was really frustrated. But there was a demo on hometheatre, there i heard that gut wrenching bass in the movie 'star wars-attack of the clones' but i couldn't hear that much bass in the stereo setup. I then asked him to play the same song in the home theatre section with the towers and roar subwoofer inorder to test. but the av receiver was not so good, very thin and forward and lack of bass. this is what i experienced. i don't know why the movie sounded so good. Now the speakers which i have to audition are Wharfedale Diamond 8.4 and Acoustic Evo 3. Suppose if i didn't like that speaker then the only option i have is KEF Cresta 30.and iam going to buy that speaker. Though there is lack of bass i heard smooth mid and laid back treble. I really liked exept the low frequency areas.

I didn't experience Warfs but I had a complete audition in Quad 11L. It is simply great.

May Be today i will audition warf

hey wishuwerehere
i hv wharfedale diamond 8.2s connected to marantz sr4300 and its a really gd VFM. but overall i wld say its better for music than movies as it is a very refined setup it lacks the 'slam' factor that u sometimes want. that being said its v.gd with jazz, instrumental stuff. basically the wharfedale r laidback as is the marantz so it depends on yr tastes and wat u r looking out for.

Iam seeing many good reviews on Monitor Audio Bronze B2.

Could you please tell me whether there is any dealer for Monitor Audio in Bangalore.

I've seen some rave reviews about the bronze series...and looks too good on any set up..but how it performs....at that point of price....may be you can contact Ravi and as well as audition one there and let us know about your opinion. . I think he will allow you to carry your amp there...better and easier to arrive at conclusions....happy weekend auditioning


D.G.Ravi
Sound Options,
3 ,100 Feet Road
V “A” Block,Koramangala
Bangalore - 560 095

Tel : 25534231

I called but i think the place is changed and now there is a restaurant

do you know any other dealer?

try your luck by writing to Sushil who's based in Mumbai.you can mail him at sanand@novaudio.com or novaudio@vsnl.com or call him on 6007700.He deals in Mordaunt short, Monitor audio,Marantz, wadia etc......oops I wasn't in the knowledge about the present situation of Sound Options an really sorry about that.you can procure the bangalore dealer address from these guys in Mumbai. Good Luck

Sound Options has shifted. Their Service center is in Koramangala itslef. If you take the road next to Bethany School in Koramangala , you will be able to find it. But I am not sure where they shifted their Showroom

Best regards
Deepu

Guys,
Ravi who is the owner of Sound Options & my partner in my other firm JELLY BEAN, INC has shut down his hi-fi shop since last Jan 2004. Now he runs an Italian restaraunt. THe service centre is called HITECH POINT and has got nothing to do with Sound Options, except that the same techs started their own operation. Great guys, I use them reg for all my service issues or problems.

There are no dealers for MS or MA anymore in Blore.
Rgds
PRithvi

Prithvi,

I think you should let us know what all things you are into at least in the music world. Saw Jelly Bean Inc registered as Distributors for XRCD's etc

Best regards
Deepu

Hi there,

I recently bought a pair of Wharfedale Diamond 9.2 (bookshelf) for my NAD 320 BEE. My comment: Wow....! Both components match totally perfect to another. The NAD`s inherent transparent, clean and "analytic" sound, combined with the more or less "emotional", smooth and voluminous Wharfedales. Simply impressive... Even overloaded recordings back from the 80ies just sound "live" and real... In my opinion it is a really fine combination, in case you like to listen to rock/blues/jazz etc. But especially the Speakers are simply not made for Bach, Mozart and Vivaldi! What they like is pure Sound... So keep that in mind!

For your decision I recommend: Don`t choose a Speaker, wich is (like the NAD) rather neutral/analytic, but combine the amp with a more "emotional" one... (unless you own a lot of classical music)

Best regards from Germany,

LaVeguero

Ok! Deepug,
Absolute Phase is my own company and I sell ultra high end products as far as possible. Trying to stop mid-end stuff, as it just does not move with me, rather people know I only sell expensive and awesome products and hence hardly any sales with low/mid end products. Products that are not available in India are sourced officially from a dealer/distributor and officially imported and full duty paid.

I also reperesent MUSICDIRECT.COM for all their products.
I am also representing PLINIUS in India. Sole dealer for LINN & PROAC too. Do also pro-audio projects.

Also do research & development work for high-end audio companies abroad. Many projects in hand, but cannot disclose the brands.

My other firm JELLY BEAN, INC are the sole distributors for JVC XRCDS (WWW.XRCD.COM), FIRST IMPRESSION MUSIC (WWW.FIMPRESSION.COM), OPUS3 RECORDS (WWW.OPUS3RECORDS), MOBILE FIDELITY SOUND LABS (MOFI). We import audiophile SACDS, DVD-AUDIO, CDS, LPS etc.

I also represent the indian distributor for DUCATI bikes (waiting for my demo bike :D)

And for you car freaks : I represent TURTLE WAX (USA) for car care products.

Just started exports of Marble, Granite, Woolen carpets, Silk carpets & Stained Glass.



Phew,

Rgds

Prithvi

Right now i have put my plan in standby mode since there is a chance of increasing my budget nearly double the amount.so iam waiting to increase my budget and buy a better than the best system.


Prithvi,since i have planned to increase my budget i need to wait and i hope you will understand.

looks u deal with sacds and dvd-audios to a large extent.

I want to know from you regarding the availability of sacds and dvd-audios in india.

what is the normal price of a sacd/dvd-audio? how it differs in terms of quality,value than the cd? which one do u like (sacd or dvd-audio)?

I need some opinions on Cadence VA 1.0 value amplifier. what is the price of the amplifier and how abt the quality?

Will the Cadence Diva match with this amp?

Is there any other value amplifier in affordable range?

Anybody please share your opinions

Vishal,
Entry level(affordable) valve amps are as follows :
Cadence Va 1.0
cayin T30/35
Primal luna (which according to prithvi is the same as the cayin but with an auto bias feature.)
Dont know if there are any more entry level(affordable) stuff in the market. I think there are other cayin models available as well so you may have a choice there.

The cadence va 1.0 was made to work with the cadence speakers so it will match. Dont know your power requirements and room area though. The VA 1.0/diva combo is very smooth sounding, on the warm side, good enough for rooms upto 500 sq ft or maybe a bit more.

I have heard the Cayin TA-30/35 with dynaudio and dali spkrs and felt they had a bit of problem driving the dyns. Haven't heard the cayin with cadence speakers so dont know if they gel well. They should, as the diva's maybe an easier load to drive but its better to get an audition first so that one gets to know whether the amp speaker combo is tonaly pleasing.

Prima luna, not heard one yet.

What kind of music do you listen to ?

Manek.

This is bit out of discussion topic but still I will go ahead and ask my question since I came to this this forum after searching a lot on net.I was looking for a NAD cd player.I am staying in bangalore and wanted to know if there are any dealers in Bangalore for NAD CD players.

I have my own amplifier and "eros" floor standers to match the amp but I dont have a good cd player. I came to know that NAD gives good sound response.

Can anyone please throw some light??

Thanks.

This is bit out of discussion topic but still I will go ahead and ask my question since I came to this this forum after searching a lot on net.I was looking for a NAD cd player.I am staying in bangalore and wanted to know if there are any dealers in Bangalore for NAD CD players.

I have my own amplifier and "eros" floor standers to match the amp but I dont have a good cd player. I came to know that NAD gives good sound response.

Can anyone please throw some light??

Thanks.

Someone mentioned to me the other day that music ranch in bangalore has nad equipment on demo....you could check that place out...

manek.

Thanks Manek.
I have never heard of that place in Bangalore. I will try to locate the place. BTW do you have any idea what would be the cost of a NAD CD player?

This is the address of Music Ranch.


10/125, 9TH MAIN, 3RD BLOCK, JAYA NAGAR, BG -41
ph:9844035773- Mukesh
jaya nagar,

Landmark:
bata showroom on 3rd block
near bata 2nd building
just opposite to hutch shop.

The NAD C521BEE costs abt 17k. At present they are having this cd player for demo.

officially the nad 21bee would be around 14-16k I think. the 542 cdp could be around 23k I guess. Maybe they are cheaper now.

There is also another nice marantz 5300 cdp available in grey marker for 13K which compares very well.

Another option with a couple of people I know is the pioneer DVD 575A (or some such model). Supposed to have a very decent cd output stage and costs 10k. havent heard it yet.

check them out.

thanks guys. I will check out both the options.

mr_vishal schrieb:

I need some opinions on Cadence VA 1.0 value amplifier. what is the price of the amplifier and how abt the quality? Will the Cadence Diva match with this amp? Is there any other value amplifier in affordable range? Anybody please share your opinions

I am playing Divas with Cayin TA30.

Before Cayin i was playing Divas with Nad C370. For me, Cayin thrashes Nad in every department. I don't say Nad is a bad amp but i think Divas are voiced for tubes than SS. They play effortlessly with tube in my 24 x 19 x 11 ft room.

I have not heard Cadence VA 1.0 so cannot comment on how they sound with Divas. Though both coming from the same stable is sure they will gel beautifully.

myriad....

yes all cadence speakers are made to play with tubes....you are right.

A decent entry level tube amp will trash an entry level SS amp any day.....atleast thats what I and other tube enthusiasts believe.

I'm not surprised that the cayin trashed the nad. The reason the cayin maybe performing so well is becuase the diva's dont pose a tough load and the amp can show its prowess. The cayin with dynaudio was definately straining.

Manek.

You could check out the Harbeths & Eichmann cables....if you can wait for a month or two..........

rs1026 schrieb:

Thanks Manek. I have never heard of that place in Bangalore. I will try to locate the place. BTW do you have any idea what would be the cost of a NAD CD player?

I dont know ther latest prices but some time back the nad 521bee was around 14-16k and the 542 was 24-26k.

manek.

How do AE Ev0-1 and Wharf's 9.1 compare with each other,and how these two would sound with NAD 320BEE?And how Tannoy Fusion-1 compare with these two,in the bookshelf category?
Has anyone auditioned these combo's?
Thanks.

hifinovice1

Athena and Mirage speakers have come to town as well. If you can you should audition them as well.

manek.

Hi All,

I expected some serious techie stuff, but all members seem to be below average in replies.C'mon guys get out of this bull **** and discuss things which would enhance our knowledge.All I find here is people bragging about the brands they own - one stupidly puts up views about speakers which he auditioned and has no intention of buying at all whereas the other always makes a bottom line

Our sweetest songs are those; that tell us of sadest thought! "Hai sabse madhur woh geet jise; hum dard ke sur mein gaate hain!"

-never ever I could figure out whether it's his saddest thought or his sadest thought.I feel he is seroiusly a grief strucken specimen who needs thorough diagnosis.Lets make this a better forum by coming out of kiddish discussions and of course without sadest thoughts